SEBT - Please help me understand

[Mattsmummy]

Okay, DS has had 3 days of pre 5am WU...he is waking up crying and will not resettle - even if in the rocker with me (may sit quietly and doze but won't really sleep)
As soon as we're in the car on the way to nursery, he falls asleep within a few minutes and sleeps for 30 minutes so I know he's still tired.

BT is 6:30 - has been for about 2 months now...we usually get a WU of around 5:30-5:45 which is Ok as I have to have him up by 6 anyway, but this 4:00, 4:25 and this morning 4:23 is nuts...

So, 6:30 is early, but maybe not early enough to reset him? Perhaps he needs a SEBT???  Can someone explain that logic to me?!?!?!

 

[<Catherine>]

An early BT tends to help here I did one last night actually, after our WU's were getting ridiculous again, and he did nearly 12 hours

If he's less OT at BT then he *should* sleep better (and longer), so an EBT means his day is shorter and therefore lessens the OT.

Can someone explain that logic to me?!?!?!

Not sure that does really but it's definitely worth a shot. It doesn't work for everyone though. The other option of course is to combat the OT with a slightly longer nap (I'm not sure what he's doing nap-wise), but I think I'd go with the EBT personally.

[cath~]

BT is 6:30 - has been for about 2 months now...we usually get a WU of around 5:30-5:45 which is Ok as I have to have him up by 6 anyway, but this 4:00, 4:25 and this morning 4:23 is nuts...

So his latest WU (that you would be aiming for) is 6am then?

So, 6:30 is early, but maybe not early enough to reset him?
 

Yes, I think if his WU is 6am (i.e. that's the latest you're aiming for!) then I think you could def try an earlier BT.  When L needs to catch up, I sometimes put her down 30-60 mins early (so that would be 5.30-6pm for you) and then that gets us her usual WU time (or sometimes later) but with a really nice long night (12hrs+)

[Mattsmummy]

Yes, 6am would be ideal but at this point I'd take 530   

Okay, I think I'll try for 530 or even earlier if I can manage it...

I know he is teething and that can affect his WU and how tired he is...I hope he tacks on and gets a good 12 hours as I know he needs it.

How many days of EBT should I do?

[cath~]

FXd goes well and he tacks on.  It is tricky with teething though (we have that too at the moment) but (S)EBT usually still works for L and she gives us her normal WU after an EBT.

How many days of EBT should I do?

That is hard to say!  Depends on his mood, how much you think he needs to catch up...  Personally I'd play it by ear and see how things go.  Usually L only needs 2 days max of EBTs and then she has caught up again.  Any more and she would resist BT, so that is a good sign that she has caught up!

[Mattsmummy]

Okay thanks!

[Mattsmummy]

Okay, so I'm super confused now...

Had DS in his crib at 5:30...he mucked about (not crying or fussing, just walking around, chatting a bit) until almost 6:20pm...when he finally fell asleep...

Up at 2:30 WIDE AWAKE - sat in the rocking chair with him and he clapped his hands, chatted, looked around, played with his lovey until after 4am...when he and I finally fell back to sleep - until DH woke him at 5 leaving for work and we got "up" at 5:30...

Was he UT?  Should I push BT later???  He is 6 days from his 18 month birthday...regression?

[cath~]

Oh dear...   Sorry that didn't work!

It does sound like either UT or developmental to me and, given he is v close to 18 months, I would go for it being developmental/regression...  L certainly slept less around 18 months with all the development stuff going on.  However, it might be he needs a routine tweak (e.g. less/later nap).  Can you post his routine?  How long does he nap for?

[Mattsmummy]

Don't apologize...it's all a guessing game with toddlers!

His routine was
WU 5:30-6:00
Nap 12:30 (he usually naps anywhere between 1.5/1.75 hrs...very rarely 2 - never been a long napper)
BT 6:30

Thanks for ur help!

[Mattsmummy]

Okay, I have no idea what is going on ...
Another pre 5 am WU... (440     )
Sat with me for maybe 15 minutes and was awake the whole time. I just can't seem to put it together...I'd give anything for a 530 WU now...
I had a look in his mouth last night and he does have two white bulges where his bottom canines are so I know they are getting close.
Would that cause this much of a disruption? How much could be regression?

He fell asleep on the way to nursery again so had a 30 minute cat nap from 730-800am...
Help...I need a plan to make it through this huge bump in the road...

[cath~]

Hi there and hugs - that is rubbish  

Your EASY looked pretty reasonable to me though, so I would guess this is teething and/or developmental, probably a combination of both.  Teething (esp canines and molars) often gets us an EW here too, as do developmental leaps   the canines are horrible so could well be the problem/part of the problem

I've never tried it, but I know some people have had some success with "dream meds" - giving meds just before EW and then their LO sleeps for longer.  Of course, this would only work if teething is the cause.  But might be worth a try!

On the other hand, I'm afraid I don't have much advice for getting through the 18 mo regression - it was really tough for us and we just muddled through as best we could, using APOP where necessary (so we could all get sleep) and then re-trained after it was over.  L got less sleep for about a month but was fine with it.  It seemed there was just too much going on in her mind for her to want to sleep.  There is a support thread for the 18 mo regression so you might get some tips there if you haven't already looked.