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25min naps at best-please help-nights also awful
« on: January 29, 2013, 22:19:45 pm »
Hello I am much need of help. My DS is wonderful but is a little pickle when it comes to sleep. A bit of background on us: He is now 5 months old but was born 2 months prematurely via a very emergency c section. He had a very tricky start and we are lucky he is here at all to be honest. He was tube fed my milk for the first 6 weeks because he couldn’t feed off me directly but is now breast fed (except for one bottle of expressed milk at the dream feed which also contains his meds-just reflux med, vitamins and Iron). He is tiny and is on the lowest centile even accounting for his prematurity.
Anyway to cut to the chase sleep and nap times are exhausting! He settles pretty well with only a few mins of shh pat for a couple of the naps but without fail he is awake 25 mins after he has fallen asleep-and that’s on a good day. I just don’t know what to do. I have tried staying with him for the whole 25mins so I can try and shh pat him before he fully wakes but to no avail. When he wakes he screams and screams until I pick him up to shh pat him on my shoulder. I have tried to get him into a pattern of 1.5 hours of sleep and the only way he does this is if I wear him in my sling. I have 2 other children and I need ds3 to nap so I can spend that time with my other 2.
Night times start off really well with DS settling himself to sleep at 7ish and then my husband gives him a bottle of EBM and meds at 10.30ish. Ds then wakes at 12.30, 2.30, 4, 5 and 6 and then dozes on and off until 7 when it all starts over.
A sample day goes like this-
7am E- he only really feeds for 5 mins and is then content for the whole of the A time but because he’s so tiny I am also feeding him again before he goes to sleep, so in essence he’s feeding every 1.5hours-I make sure he doesn’t sleep on breast and 95% of the time he stays awake
7.15am A
8.15-8.30 E
8.30-10am S if he’s in the sling he sleeps the whole of this S time but otherwise if in crib he sleeps for 25 mins at best then we try and shh pat back to sleep but eventually end up shh pat on shoulder for remaining time-any attempt at putting him back results in immediate waking or 2 mins of sleep followed by waking and screaming
10am E
10.15-11.15 A
11.15-11.30 E
11.30-1pm (as the last sleep above)
1pm E
1.15-2.15 A
2.15-2.30 E
2.30-4 S-this sleep is the worst of all-I have never got even 25 mins out of him at this sleep which means it’s almost never really 4 that we go to-normally I give up by 3.30 Even in sling this sleep is a nightmare
3.30/4 E
4.15-5 A
5-5.15 E
5.15-5.45 S trying to get him to catnap-even on shoulder it doesn’t always happen for more than 10 mins maybe
6pm-bath and bedtime routine. Continuously feed and try and keep awake to ensure a good feed
7-10.30 S and from this point on is anyone’s guess (usually a rough pattern is as I described above wakes at 12.30, 2.30, 4, 5 and 6 and then dozes until near 7
Please help. I am so tired and I feel like a complete failure-I can’t see the wood for the trees on this one. Any Y time I have is spent with my other 2 who are desperate for some mummy time. I have roped my mum in to help over the next few days so I can get this sorted.
Thanks so much for taking the time to read this x

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Re: 25min naps at best-please help-nights also awful
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2013, 12:19:47 pm »
Hi there,
Sorry things are rough.

Do you think he is snacking as he is eating so regularly? I would generally advise around 3.5-4 hour feedings at this age but with him being prem and tiny it may be more like 2.5-3. What have you been advised by the HV? Just wondering if he is not really taking much and so is not then able to sleep for long yk?

At this age most lo's are on about 2 hours A time so it might be worth stretching him out a touch in the am, maybe not to 2 hours but 15 mins or so?

I think at this age I would aim to do one nap in the cot or wherever he sleeps at night and then the rest can be AP'd. With other children about you have to think of your sanity but working on one nap will make you feel like you are working towards something yk?

25 min wakings could be discomfort...or hunger possibly - does he have any sort of reflux?




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« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2013, 21:15:52 pm »
Thank you so much for your reply. Yes I agree with you I do feel like he's snacking,  the health visitor is advising me to demand feed as he's not a big baby. I feel like he's not really getting enough of the hind milk by demand feeding so rather than demand feeding I thought if i kept it to every 1.5 hours at least he'd get a good crack at the whip before he slept and by staying on the same breast for the 2 feeds would hopefully mean he'd get the hind milk too.
You're advice to concentrate on one nap is such a wonderful idea-it's a great balance. I'll try that tomorrow and will try to extend his A time in the morning.
Thank you so so much-it's a real life line to have some advice on this.

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« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2013, 12:43:44 pm »
If I were you I would stretch to more like 2.5/3 hours if you can and see if that improves the sleep. Keep me posted on how you get on xx




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« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2013, 20:54:56 pm »
Hi Becky, Thank you I will try that. It's been a really rough few days and I just haven't had a minute even to check this board so please excuse the late reply. He's now refusing my left breast unless I lay on the bed!! I had LO weighed and he is dipping off his line so the HV is insisting I get him weighed every week! I am at my wits end here- my 2 year old, who is normally my angel DS2 baby/toddler is playing up every time I try to feed DS3 as he's getting such little attention. Ahh tis so stressful but I must remember that this phase will pass. DS3 won't even sleep for more than 25 mins in sling as of the last few days so I really do hope that by stretching his feeds a bit it will impact his sleep. Gosh so sorry to moan.
Thanks so much for your support x

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« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2013, 06:46:24 am »
that sounds really hard - hugs. See how you go stretching the feeds (I checked with the BF mods and they agreed to do this) and get back to me. And NEVER be sorry to moan, that is what we are here for xxx




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« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2013, 20:27:04 pm »
Well at least I know why we had such a bad few days-DS 2 and DS3 poorly!! Typical timing wise eh!!! DS3 had a temp and an awful cough and cold. Poor egg can't breathe properly so stretching feeds are on hold (although we had one day of trying that and it worked for some of the feeds in the morning-he seemed much happier to miss the feed before the nap than I thought so as soon as he's better I'll be back on that and also working on that one nap too). Thanks so much. I'll be back soon x

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« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2013, 13:02:17 pm »
hope he feels better soon xx




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« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2013, 19:43:58 pm »
Well I'm almost back!! Unfortunetely this illness has swept through us all and we ended up in a&e with ds2 who had suspected meningitus (thankfully it wasn't and he's fine now)! Has been a truly awful few weeks but it has shown me more than ever how much I need to get DS3 pattern in order so I can be a loving mummy to all 3 of my boys with regular time built in for the older 2 whilst baby naps. I said at the start of the post that I'm almost back because I now have the virus they had plus an ear and throat infection! It doesn't rain but it pours eh. Nevermind, as soon as I am feeling better I'll post for more help.
Thanks so much for your patience.
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« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2013, 12:44:39 pm »
you poor things...sounds awful :(
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« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2013, 09:11:22 am »
Hello! I'm back. We have stretched DS feds to 3 hourly-hooray! It took some eeeking out but I think we're there. It has made night sleep slightly more regular but hasn't made a jot of difference to the naps. I'm not sure how to tackle these naps-now he's feeding every 3 hours I guess I'm aiming for a 3 hour EASY pattern so 1.5 hours of nap sleep. Oops there he goes he's awake so I'm just heading up to shh pat.

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« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2013, 18:51:58 pm »
could you post his current routine and remind me of his age - is he nearly 6 months?




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« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2013, 20:18:11 pm »
Hi yes he is now almost 6 months but because he was 2 months prem he should only really be almost 4 months (he's hitting all of his 4 month milestones so I'm kinda going by that age).
As for routine for the last week he tends to;
Wake at 5am and I feed then he gurgles for a while and the goes back to sleep til 7ish
7am feed
8.30-9am nap (he settles well with just a min or two of shhpat 9-10 I am trying to extend this nap from his usual 25 mins to 1.5 hours (failing miserably)
10am Feed
11.30-11.55 nap
from here on in it's not a routine at all except I do stick to 3 hourly feed times so 1pm 4pm 6.30pm 10.30dreamfeed
Then at night he wakes randomly-it varies each night but anything from 3 times to 6 times a night.
I know i need to move him to 4 hourly at 4 months but given that he's not even doing a 3 hourly (only just eeeked feeds to 3 hours) should I keep him on 3 hourly for a week or two? Also how can I get him napping for more than 25 mins? I have support Thursday arvo, all day friday, saturday and sunday so I am really hoping to make some good head way then-just need to get my strategy clear in my head before then.
Thanks so much for your advice

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« Reply #13 on: March 06, 2013, 12:42:57 pm »
I would not worry about getting him on a 4 hour routine just yet, I would stick with 3 and then try to push to 3.5 when you feel you can but def in the next 2-4 weeks.
ok well if we are basing this on his age being 4 months I think you need to push that first A time to 2 hours. So try not to put him down until 9am and then extend if you can. How are you extending atm?
Is he waking happy or not?




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« Reply #14 on: March 06, 2013, 14:28:22 pm »
Fab OK. Actually interestingly I accidentally pushed him to 1hour 45mins of A time this morning (as my eldest had a school trip I needed to sort) and amazingly DS3 did 30mins to start and then I successfully shh patted for 5 mins and he did another 45mins!!!!! Woo hoo. Right so I'll extend his A time to 2 hours gradually then. So I'm guessing our routine would look like this
7am E
7.30-9 A
9-10.30 S ahh that also pushes his E time by half an hour?? or should I cut the nap to keep the feeds to 3 hours?
Sorry so many questions.
Ooo PS I'm extending with shh pat
Thanks so much