10 months old and 530 ew are back

[Charjanemom]

I'm back with ew again

After Xmas we went to sort of a set nap and bt routine as my anxiety was through the roof with bouncing all around with a times. We have had an awesome month felt like my dd was finally on a good routine again. Great naps, 11-12 hr nights. Last 2 mornings we have had 530 ew with babbling and some whining. I want to nip this ASAP as I know last time it went on way too long before I looked for help here. We are teething. Top 2 front are cut through and the ones beside have been sitting at the gum line for a week. I thought yesterday morning was teething but this morning I'm second guessing. She was up 530-615 and seems to have now fallen back asleep so if it were her teeth I would think that she wouldn't fall back asleep.
For a month this has been our routine
W 630/7 (sometimes 715)
S 930-1130 ( often wake her up from this nap. Sometimes it's 10-1130 if she sleeps in late)
S 230/245-345/4
Bt 730

Does the morning nap need to be pushed back to avoid ew? Yesterday for pm nap she was so restless she didn't fall asleep till 3. Wasn't so much playing more just couldn't get comfy which I figure was teeth.

What are your thoughts ?

Thanks ladies!
Jenna

[Charjanemom]

Meant to add that the past 2 weeks we have had 1-2 ew with a 5 minute babble then back to sleep so maybe that was the early warning sign of what was to come.

[katie80]

Meant to add that the past 2 weeks we have had 1-2 ew with a 5 minute babble then back to sleep so maybe that was the early warning sign of what was to come.

Yes, I think so...

Does the morning nap need to be pushed back to avoid ew?

Yes, you are right here too.  It looks like the set naps did their trick, which is great, but I do think the short A time in the morning (and good amount of day sleep) is causing the EW.  I'd move it out by 15-30min, and you may have to cut the pm nap down to an hour as well.

I'm sure the teeth are playing a part, because they are notorious for causing EW issues, but I think the main reason is the naps.

[Charjanemom]

Ok thanks I will add 15 mins to our morning for a few days and see how that goes. If I cap pm nap at an hour do I still do our usual bedtime? This is where I get confused as she will also do hyper ew if ot.

How does the routine change so fast? I hate trying to keep up with it all the time.

[Charjanemom]

And now she is up talking at 455 am!! Ugh

[katie80]

If I cap pm nap at an hour do I still do our usual bedtime?

You'll have to watch her and see.  If you did 3-4pm nap, I'm thinking BT would fall between 7-7:30pm still.  It depends on the baby. 

How does the routine change so fast? I hate trying to keep up with it all the time.

It can be a bit frustrating.  It seems to settle down once you get solidly on two naps, from about 7-10mo.  Then, there's change again from 10-12mo as you hit the beginning stages of the 2-1.  You slowly whittle down the shorter nap and then somewhere between 12-18mo you get to one nap and it's relatively smooth sailing for awhile again.  Babies change so much in such a short time, I guess that's why the routine does too. 

Have you read this... 10 to 12 mth old Sleep Gone Wonky, and the 2 - 1 Nap Switch

[Charjanemom]

Thank you

My hubby and I read the 2-1 so we will see how we do. Can't do too much right now as C came down with the flu late yesterday afternoon so she was falling asleep at 630 last night poor thing wouldn't take her bedtime formula bottle but I did get her to take about 5 oz of water. Thought she would be up in the night hungry but I just heard her talking a few mins ago so 715-6 and it seems like she is asleep or resting again.

When I push that morning a how many days does it take to see if it is enough to get rid of the ew? My confusion is that usually I can push that morning A and she will still nap great but then the pm nap sometimes has an ot wake so yesterday we did 3 hr 15 before am nap which was almost 10 am then a 245-345 nap. I was aiming for 730 bed but poor girl was exhausted from being sick to her tummy.

[katie80]

(((Hugs))), I'm sorry to hear she is ill.   I hope she recovers quick.

When I push that morning a how many days does it take to see if it is enough to get rid of the ew?

It could be 3 days, it could be a week.  I'd say if you don't see improvement after a week, you might have to push the nap back a tad more. 

[Charjanemom]

 Ok. It just seems hard to gage since the naps are good. I will see where we are at after the weekend. She woke a few times in the night and at 540 but self settled.

Luckily the bug was only 12 hrs but I can tell it took a lot out of her. Saddest thing to see them ill like that.

[katie80]

Yes, it's awful.

It is a bit tricky to get it all figured out.. You just don't want the naps to be so good that you lose night sleep, especially in the form of an EW, yk?

[Charjanemom]

My dd is back to herself. What a horrible bug she had.

So obviously we have been doing what we can to get through. Things with naps and nights haven't been too bad but I don't know if the illness put her into ot as she was recovering or what.
Our current easy
W 630/7
S 10-1130 I wake her
S 245/3-4 I wake her
S 730

Normally don't hear a peep all night but she loves to ew if things aren't just right. So we are getting 10.5 hr nights which she is miserable on and we just had the worst put down for her morning nap. She is waking at 6 and babbling away. Sometimes goes quiet and by 630 wants out. Sometimes I will bring in with me to see if she will go back to sleep. She was so restless and could tell she wanted to sleep but couldn't. Anything with our routine I should change?
We were
W 630/7
S 930-1130
S 230-4
S 730
We had almost 12 hr nights then we started some 530 ew so i pushed am nap back but now I'm wondering if that was a mistake.

[katie80]

No, I don't think it was a mistake, because I do think the EWs before were from too much day sleep and not enough morning A. 

Our current easy
W 630/7
S 10-1130 I wake her
S 245/3-4 I wake her
S 730

I'm a bit confused though... she's still EWing, but is now not happy?  So, rather than this current EASY that you posted, it should start at 6am?  I think because you've cut a decent amount of day sleep and also lengthened A times, I'd bring BT back to 7pm (with the 1hr pm nap).  You want her to tack some of the cut in daytime sleep onto her night and that hasn't happened.  It usually will if you bring BT back.

[Charjanemom]

Sorry for the confusion. Last 2 days she has woke at 6 then put herself back to sleep till 630 ish. Today she was up at 6 and was happy but within an hour was miserable. Then the set nap times are all a mess. Yk?

I will do a 1 hr pm nap and pull bt ahead.

Thanks
Jenna

[katie80]

Oh yes, that makes sense. I think that earlier BT will help. Let me know how you get on.

[Charjanemom]

Ok. Disaster of a day here. Just noticed we started a wonder week and cutting another tooth. Ugh! Poor girl is ot and usually is pretty easy to go down for naps even if it but today is nuts. Ebt tonight! And it's hubby turn thank goodness!!