In the midst of 2-1 at 9.5 months??

[Johnnyha65]

So I think we seem to have hit the 2-1 transition early, I know this can take months to get to 1 nap but not sure what to do, I'm shocked that we're in the midst of it already we only seem to have just gotten over the 3-2! This first year is tough :-(

I started to stretch my LO's A time 3 weeks ago when a 4hr A was giving me 45 minute naps, even after a 45 minute nap!
I have been getting 2 hr naps on 4hr 45 A, the problem is he wakes anywhere from 6.15 to 6.45, So it leaves slightly too long to BT. So I have been trying the short am nap of 30 minutes after 3 hrs A but I can only now get this in the car as an UT nap, he even refuses in the pram and the cot results in a huge meltdown. The problem is he is refusing a pm nap until a minimum of 4 1/2 hr A believe me I have tried and then this just gives me a nap of 1hr 20, so he's getting OT even though we're only doing 2 1/2 hrs to BT. NW's have started to creep and an EW this morning has resulted in a very very grumpy boy and I want to try and nip this in the bud ASAP. Here is our EASY for today. Any advice pls x

NW's at 1.18am, 4.50am, resettled within 15 minutes
WU 5.50
GU 6.25
E 6.30 milk
E 8 solids
S 9.40 -10.20 apop in the car woke happy
E 11 snack
E 12:15 solids
E 2.30 milk
S 2.55 - 4.15 woke crying, couldn't resettle
E 5 solids
E 6.15 milk
S 6.35

Just as an aside march was a month illnesses and teeth which resulted in some ap night feeds  :ow hitch we have now resolved with some sleep training and he's self settling when waking through the night.

[*Becky*]

Hi there,
I think that he probably is OT which is the reason for the crying when waking from naps and the NWings. It is a tricky time with the 2:1 transition for sure. At this age we did a 20-30 min am nap and then we had 3-3.5 A time before the pm nap.
I would cut the am nap to 30 mins max and then try 3.5 hours max before the next nap. If you have to AP the first then that is fine, we used to do it on the way out somewhere.
So your day might look like...
A - 6am
Nap - 9.45/10am - 10.15/30am
Nap - 1.45/2pm - whenever but ideally 1.5 hours
BT  - 6.45/7pm
what do you think?

[~inbalance~]

Just chiming in to say that my almost 10 month DD's routine looks almost exactly like this (with a slightly later wake up and bedtime), and it works really well for us.  We having started the 2-1 as well and it is my hope to be on one nap by 11 months.

[Johnnyha65]

Okay sounds good, just glad I now have a plan, it's so hard getting sleep right and yet for us it effects him so much, he's so so grumpy at the moment.
I'll make a start with this tomorrow. Just one Q, am I fixing the first nap at 9.45/10 at the earliest  or am I working to 3hr45/4hr first A, as he wakes between 6 and 6.45 generally on a good night.
Thanks ladies, wish me luck 

[~inbalance~]

I do a set am nap regardless of wake up time.

[Johnnyha65]

Great thanks, it's good to know what other BW  lo's of a similar age are doing everyone I know just let's there Los sleep whenever with no consequences and think I'm too controlling with A times etc! Keep you posted x

[*Becky*]

good luck!

[Johnnyha65]

Okay so we are on day 3 of the short am nap of 30 mins and longer pm nap 3hrs later and Today we had an OT 2nd nap, woke crying at 30 mins I was able to resettle but we've had 2 NWs already tonight. Here's today's EASY

WU 6.30 (I think)
E 6.50 milk
E 8 solids
S 9.50 - 10.20 (In the car)
E 10.30 snack
E 12.10 solids
E 1 milk top up
S 1.30 (took longer to settle), woke at 2 self settled, woke at 2.10 I resettled at 2.20 slept till 4.05 woke grumpy and crying
E 4.30 solids
E 6.30 milk
S 6.55
NW so far at 8 and 10pm

He was very grumpy, clingy and whingey from the last nap till bedtime, he had been okay earlier. Do you think I should try a couple of catch up days letting him sleep as long as he likes then try again? x

[*Becky*]

I would pull the second A time back to 2.5 hours rather than 3 and see....my DD could handle 3 hours but I remember other lo's doing more like 2.5.

[~inbalance~]

Do you think the grumpiness and/or NWings could be teething?  A lot of that sounds like teething behaviour to me.

Personally I just persevere and push through any OT issues, however that's really tricky if teething is involved...

We are doing 3hrs after the short am nap but yeah, some LOs might need less time.

[Johnnyha65]

Well today DH woke him when he was getting up for work at 5.50    he woke crying but couldn't get back off to sleep he was trying bless him (I have a video monitor so could see him)  there was no way I could get him to 9.45 he was again whiney and grumpy this morning wouldn't even play by himself.  I decided to give him a longer CN of 40 mins and then try for 3hrs A so today went like this...

WU 5.50
GU 6.25 (out of the cot)
S 9.30 - 10.10
S 1.23 - 3.20
S 6.15

This evening he was knackered and wanted to go to bed so I just put him down early tonight and he was asleep within 10 minutes, even after such as short A after a good nap of nearly 2hrs. He had previously liked a long A to the first nap and then a short A from 2nd nap to bedtime, perhaps it's because he's so mobile now he's getting more tired, he's crawling and cruising.

I think he's been teething since 4 months and he has 2 teeth, but I can't see anymore coming through just yet and he's coped pretty well with the other two.  And another variable...  we're in a wonder week so that could be the grumpiness too I guess... it's all a guessing game isn't it?! 

I'll keep with this for a few days try for an UT nap of 40 mins as late as I can get it and see how we go, if he starts taking longer to settle for the 2nd nap/or wakes before 1.5hr  and seems abit happier while awake i'll try the 30 mins and 2.5hrs.

Thanks ladies i'll let you know how we get on x

[Johnnyha65]

Just a quick update yesterday went okay, did am nap 40 mins & we went to a group, I was the one there with the grumpy whiney, clingy child  carried on somehow and we did A of 3 hrs and he slept for 2hr 25 woke in the best mood ever so he must have been so tired, then 3hr A to BT! But then heard him wake at 3.50am having himself a little cot party, I'm guessed abit too much DTS and maybe UT at BT due to such a long nap? he was fine at his little party until 5.20am, all this time mummy is not enjoying the party   at which time he started getting upset , so I had to feed him & he slept until 7.10 and woke happy thankfully.

So today I thought we'd try the same again but maybe cap the 2nd nap at 2hrs if needs be first before I start reducing the 1st nap to 30 mins. We did first nap at 10-10.40, 2nd nap 1.45-3.30 BT and asleep 6.50 so fingers crossed no parties tonight!

Hopefully his will work for a while, but who knows I could be back again soon.

Thanks again x

[*Becky*]

keep us posted!

[~inbalance~]

I agree with capping the pm nap at 2hrs, that is what I do too. Good luck!