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Offline KathG

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My 7 mo DS has done 40 min day naps for months!  I have been on this website and read BW books PLENTY times as my first son also did short naps.
Through so much reading, I have come to understand it that its due to overstimulation to start off with and once they do the 40 min naps a couple fo timess, it becomes ingrained in their bodyclock.  Even if you reduce stimulation or Awake time, they will continue to do 40 min naps. That is what I was told by a "sleep trainer".  Although i am opposed to sleep trainers who do the CIO method, I was interested in seeing her approach to "curing" this unhealthy short napping.

She said  1) he must learn to fall asleep on his own for day and night naps and 2) I must reset his body clock and get the adrenalin out of his system which causes the short naps. Her method to reset his body clock is that if he wakes at 40 mins after having gone to sleep on his own for the nap, leave him in the cot for the next hour so that he is in his cot for 1hr30 which is the amount of sleep he MUST have per nap for the neurogical benefits of sleep to be obtained.   I can not carry this sleep training out as to leave DS in the cot for 1 hour after his 30 mins which has refreshed him to a point, would mean great distress for him. That is a long time to leave him in cot and it would involve the CIO method.

I have started gentle sleep training the BW or Elizabeth Pantley way to get him to go to sleep on this own in the day (he does it beautifully at night every night!) which is to calm him with a nap routine 15 mins before due sleep time then put him down with his dummy and doo-doo bear and walk out.
Some days he's played with his doo-doo and gone to sleep within 5 - 10 mins without play or protest, other times/days he goes into excitement mode, throws his doo-doo around in the cot, kicks and shrieks with mirth.  This carries on for 30 mins at least. In that time, even though he is not crying for me, I go in to replug his dummy as I know that helps him to sleep and give him his doo-doo which could be at the bottom of cot. I know one is not supposed to go in if they are not distressed or crying but he goes into major overwind and stimulation from exciting himself. Only 40 mins after, will he get agitated and starting protesting but never full-on crying.
They say that one shouldnt keep going in as the baby will then know that if they keep making a noise, mum will come in.
So, I am working on getting him to sleep without rocking during the day and he has made it 50% of the time thus far. But when he doesnt, he gets to sleep a whole hour later than he should and then he's way overtired. This leads to a 30 min jerky wake up which I then have to deal with.

Dealing with the 30 - 40 min wake-up:  if I creep into his room and watch for his stir then quickly plug the dummy and turn him onto his side, it works mostly BUT its then undoing the independent falling asleep training I am doing for when he initially goes to sleep. Yet, if I leave him when he wakes and hopes that he will fall back to sleep, he doesnt. He just gets excited all over again.

This sleep trainer says she has 100% success of changing babies' short naps to be 1h30 each time by leaving baby in the cot/crib when they wake early until the full expected sleep time which is 1hr30 is up.

I would like to hear other's views on this and also if there is any advice. I don't believe I can tweak his A times to make a difference as I've done that for months - tweaked A times up and down and he just keeps napping 40 mins.
I can often get him to go back to sleep after a 40 min wake but only 50% of the time.

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Re: The infamous 35 - 40 min day napping ~ 7mo DS ~ conflicting methods
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2013, 10:04:08 am »
We here at BW are totally against CIO/CC of any kind. Here's why:
Research on why 'cry it out' and 'controlled crying' is NOT recommended!
Kara & Alexandra's Story
Cry it out (CIO): 10 reasons why it is not for us

When you were tweaking A times, did you keep things stable for at least a week before changing?
What's your current routine?
What's his behaviour like when he wakes up after 40 min?

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Re: The infamous 35 - 40 min day napping ~ 7mo DS ~ conflicting methods
« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2013, 13:33:20 pm »
Yes, I don't believe in CC or have the personality to do it. That is why at 7 months, I have a DS that is 50% of the time rocked to sleep (other time self soothes) and has NEVER cried in his cot.
But as I write, I am trying to change the rocking by putting him down on own and popping in and out to calm when necessary until he sleeps.

I need a little more time to reply to your questions, but in the mean time, I have A VERY IMPORTANT question that I forgot to add to first post:

Since DS has been doing his 50 min -40 min - now 30 min sleeps over the past 2 months, myself and my nanny go in (depending who is free) when he wakes and have more successfully than not put him back to sleep by turning him over onto his side, putting dummy back in and put our hands on him or stroke his head. Many times its a matter of 1 - 2 mins that he is back asleep.
Then there are the times where he is wide awake instantly, and refuses to be put onto his side and resists all our attempts. Sometimes when we know he needs sleep, we try rock him back to sleep (15 mins taken on that and mostly works) or we can see he is too wide awake and we take him out cot and then give him a shorter Awake time.

But, if we have managed to get him back to sleep within 5 mins of first waking, then why has his body not learnt to link the sleep cycles. Somewhere on the many pages of this forum, I read that if you HTTJ (which I also do now) or push them through to next sleep cycle, it wont be long before they or their bodyclocks learns to link the sleep cycles and they then sleep 1hr20 or 1hr30.
After all our HTTJ and other successful attempts at getting him to sleep longer, he STILL wakes at 30 or 40 mins and needs intervention.   Does it ever change???

I havent tried the PU/PD method but it seems from what I've read that it could take a month or so of that to get him to link his sleep cycles using that method?  What is the average time spent doing PU-PD for a 7 mo old before success kicks in? 


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Re: The infamous 35 - 40 min day napping ~ 7mo DS ~ conflicting methods
« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2013, 13:37:18 pm »
... the most frustrating thing is in the afternoons when I want to play with my toddler, I have to keep pausing whatever game I am playing with him, put him in front of TV so he doesnt call me loudly, and keep going to DS's room to push him through at 30, 40 mins.  my toddler suffers as Mum is always putting DS to sleep or running in and out.

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Re: The infamous 35 - 40 min day napping ~ 7mo DS ~ conflicting methods
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2013, 19:48:24 pm »
Hugs. Chronic short napping is rubbish, but it is developmental in part too. Personally I don't agree with the sleep consultant. I do believe that most LOs outgrow this, and can learn to sleep past 1 sleep cycle with the right A times, consistent help or gentle sleep training.

On a bad day I followed something like this to prevent OT http://www.babysleepsite.com/schedules/6-month-old-baby-schedule/ and always tried to keep the first A age appropriate or extend the fist nap.

Also wondering what your routine is like Hun, what is the first A time. It needs to be 3 hrs IMO at this age min

And here is some Sleep info ;) http://www.parentingscience.com/baby-sleep-patterns.html
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