Is teething causing these problems. I am exhausted

[katie80]

So a difficult weekend due to guests, heat and lack of structured naps but this NW has been going on for 9 nights now. 

Yes, it's hard to tell from those EASs if there may be a routine issue. I wondered if she was UT, after reading Friday's EAS, but it can definitely be the heat, teeth, or SA still. Keep track of your EASs again this week and we'll see if we can find any patterns.

As for SA, it sounds like it's a possibility with her getting calm and then worked back up when put down, although that could be just because she's comfy in your arms too. Is she displaying any signs of SA during the day... more clingy, cries when put down or you leave the room, etc? How was she with your guests?  It's kind of one of thise things you have to just ride out (like a developmental milestone) but you can help her through it by reassuring her of your presence, even when you need to put her down or walk away. You can also play lots of peek-a-boo, practice leaving the room (telling her where you're going) and coming back. There are some good tips here: Tips for seperation anxiety

[Clairehv]

Thank you very much I will have a look at the tips.
A typical day with the exception of the weekend would be
WU 6.15/30am
E 7am bottle 5-6 oz
8am breakfast with remaining formula
A
S 9/9.15- 10.30 ( I wake if 1.5 hrs)

E 11.45/12 solids
A
S 1/1.15pm- 2.30/3 ( ideally she would go to 3pm but I usually get a 1.5hr nap
E snack at 3pm ish
A
E 4.30pm tea solids

We start bath time any time from 6pm depending if she woke at 2.30 or 3.
6.30/45 bottle
7pm asleep.
My daughter has always been at the low end of A time. It is only in the last 6 weeks we have managed to push from 2hrs A time to 3 and it is 4 weeks since we dropped the last catnap.


Well we had progress last night.
She slept from 7pm-6.15am.
Between 4-4.30am she was coughing and there was some moaning crying but she stayed asleep and I didn't have to go in.
I imagine she was very tired after the weekend.

With regards to SA, she really enjoyed watching the other kids and is fine be handled by the other parents.
In the last week you are right she has been whinging/crying if I leave her. She has started to crawl properly in the last week so now does follow me around.
I suppose that is a new development as is the sitting in the cot crying.

As last night was such a huge improvement if she wakes tonight I suppose I should sleep train again and not offer bottle or cuddles in our bed.

I just want to get to the point where a NW is a rarity rather than the norm. I know it is unrealistic that a baby would never wake but if they sleep through more often than not I would have to confidence just to try and quickly resettle rather than worry about bottle etc.

Thanks for the support.

I will Keep my diary though for the next week
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[katie80]

Yay for the good night!

My daughter has always been at the low end of A time. It is only in the last 6 weeks we have managed to push from 2hrs A time to 3 and it is 4 weeks since we dropped the last catnap.

I do think she still needs more of a push, though.  Her first two A times are still not a full 3hr (which is still low for her age) for the EASY you posted and then she's got a long A to get to bed.  So, the NW could definitely be a bit of a UT/OT combination issue.  It also doesn't look like she's always doing a 1.5hr nap, so pushing the A times a bit should help that.  You can do one at a time if she's sensitive to it, but I'd try to get both of the first two to at least 3hr.

It also sounds like she is dealing with a bit of SA, and I know you will be doing the appropriate things to help her with that.

As last night was such a huge improvement if she wakes tonight I suppose I should sleep train again and not offer bottle or cuddles in our bed.

Yes, I think if you want to get to the place where NWs are not the norm, then it's right to go back to settling her without a bottle or bringing her to your bed in the MOTN.  She's proven that she can do it, so it should go quicker this time (and she already seems to be getting back on track a bit).

(((Hugs))) and good luck.  Here to hold your hand!

[ZacsMumme]

Hugs, I agree with Katie, she needs more A as hard as it is. I also wonder if 3 hrs day sleep is too much to then expect a long settled night. My first did longer naps, but shorter nights, so needed a 13 hr+ day with 3 hrs day sleep at this age (but was really in 2-1) my second does a 12 hr night so I can't expect as much day sleep. As are a bit shorter but so are his naps. One is always capped at 45 max to get enough A and solid pm nap.

[Clairehv]

Hi
Yes I felt we have regressed a little with the A times.
Yesterday's A#2 she started moaning, eye rubbing and yawning at 2.5 hours. I thought the heat and runny nose could be making her tired.

I'll check what an average EASY is for a 9/10 month old x

[katie80]

I thought the heat and runny nose could be making her tired.

Could be.

I'll check what an average EASY is for a 9/10 month old x

Here are some sample ones: chronological EASY samples, 7-9 months, chronological EASY samples, 10-12 months

[ZacsMumme]

If it's all helpful T is 9 mths and just I've just dropped his am nap from 45 mins to 35 or so..

WU 7.30
A 3hrs15-30
Nap 10.55-11.30
A 2.5 ish
Nap 2-3.30/45
A 3.5-4
BT 7-7.30

I've just dropped his am nap though as we have to fit in with Z kindy run and T likes a long night. No doubt it will change again in a week or so

[Clairehv]

Hi
So I thought we had a better EASY yesterday and I pushed A times to pretty much 3 hours
WU- 6.15 am
Nap 1 9.15-10.30 (I woke)

Nap 2 1.30pm-2.50pm (1hr 20mins)

Bath time started 6.15pm
Bedtime and asleep 6.45pm

Then here was the night.....
Crying 8pm, did gel and resettled

Crying 1.30am-4.45am
She was moaning/crying but lying down and cuddling bunny so I left. Escalated at 2am I picked up and she resettled. , clearly wanted to be asleep.
2.15 sobbing, took teething powder and ibuprofen.
Moaning in cot until 3am, escalated again. I picked up calmed and lay down.
Repeated until around 4.15am. Offered water she took about 90 ml.
Then moaned in cot but was still and she finally feel into a proper sleep at 4.45am.
Woke at 7.15am.

Then nap 1 was 10-11am today and I woke up.

It was a hard 3 hours, I think it was probably teeth.  The cries were in waves and she was clearly tired, eye rubbing yawning, moaning. Wasn't awake to play if that makes sense.

Sooo tired today.

No strategy still just wanted to let you know how things were going. X

[ZacsMumme]

Hugs Hun. T did a 3 hr NW a week ago, just like this, today his top tooth is literally popping through the gum, a big white pearl. Can you see in her mouth? Hopefully in a week you see a tooth!

I would increase your first A a touch when you can to even out your day

[katie80]

Oh (((hugs))), that definitely sounds like discomfort. Hope tonight is better!

[Clairehv]

Hi everyone,
Despite Nap 2 only being around 1hr 15 the good news is E slept from 6.45pm-7am last night!
Didn't hear even any moans.
I cannot remember the last time she did that

So until the next bad night I am just going to enjoy that. !
Hopefully we may get a good run so DH can move back into our bedroom!

[katie80]

Yay, well done E! Glad you all got some sleep!

[Clairehv]

Hi
So another good night last night.
E slept 6.45pm-6.45am.
Had a cry at 7.30pm but just needed a quick cuddle. Was moaning at bit at 5am but I didn't go in and she went back to sleep.

So may risk not giving the teething meds before bedtime and see what happens.

How to people deal with teething when it's bad, is it genuinely just a case of resettling and PU/PD until they are back asleep?

Hope everyone has a nice weekend. X

[katie80]

Yay for another good night!

How to people deal with teething when it's bad, is it genuinely just a case of resettling and PU/PD until they are back asleep?

When it's bad, I've never really been able to do PUPD to get them to resettle.  It's been more of giving meds if needed, cuddles, and then rubbing/patting their back to help them calm and drift off or when they're older, laying by the crib until they can get back to sleep.  Both of mine have suffered from some SA while teething, so I generally don't even try to leave.  It's a bit of survival and just doing what you can without creating any props (which has happened with both of them at times, I'll admit).  But, often they go back to being independent and sleeping through all on their own when it's done.

[Clairehv]

Hey Katie,
Well she has slept for 12 hours for 2 nights so I think my only resolution is to offer a bottle. I genuinely don't think at nearly 10 months she would need it.
If we have a bad night and its teeth as you say I will just rely on cuddles, meds and reassurance techniques

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