16 month old cant see a problem with routine but still waking early

[hulagirl]

Hi
I thought I would start a new thread as the old one was to do with our holiday.
Now lo is 16 months, always been on the low end of sleep. (Dropped to 1 nap by 13/14 months, never tacked on and really only needed 11hrs of sleep at night) very active (walking by 8.5 months) independent sleeper since 4-5 months


So for last 6-8 weeks he has been doing
6am get up
12pm-2pm nap
7pm BT asleep
Sleeping all night most of the time
Which was great.


Now for two week or so
He has been waking at 5-5.30am wide awake (he stays in his cot till 6am)
Now I have tried capping nap at 2hrs, tried a longer nap 2.5hrs ( tried both for at least 3 days)
The only thing I have not done is a shorter nap (he really does seem to need 2hrs)
I can't believe he needs a longer a time as on normal wake up he has 6hrs (when he wakes up early he has even longer) I did try earlier nap but he woke early from his nap. He has been teething since Feb but still nothing I have also tried medicating at BT and at any nw but never made any difference
This am for example he went to bed last night normal time then woke crying at 3.30 am so gave meds and he still woke at 5.30am.
W2s never really worked when he was younger and not sure how I would do it now as his wake up time is not consistent.
Am I missing something so obvious.

Sorry for rambling on and thanks for any advice
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[HenaV]

((((Hugs)))) I'm sorry things haven't settled down since your last post. So
With the EW, what does your day look like re: nap and BT.

Also (sorry can't remember from your last post) any sign of teeth?

Hena

[hulagirl]

 Hi.
Nap and bedtime are the same as if on a 6 am wake up time. I have tried 11.30 am nap but he just wakes early from his nap (1.5 hr normally)
I tried early Bt but he won't sleep till 6.50-7pm anyway and doesn't tack on his sleep ever.
If he wakes in the night I medicate incase its teeth ( that can be anywhere between 2-4 am but he still wakes up somewhere between 5-5.30am.
As for teeth we have top 4 and bottom 4 that we have had since Jan he has been teething since Feb off and on but still nothing.
I only want a 7-6am nightime which I know he is capable off as he does it for a week or so then it all goes out the window.
He settles at nap time and Bt very easily with no crying or anything usually within 3-5 min.
I know his a times are high but they always have been (at 6 months he was doing 4-5 hrs)
I am due a csection in 9 days and was hoping it would be sorted by now.
Also wonder weeks make no difference to his sleep and isn't due to hit his last one till 10 days time.

[Buttonbobs]

Hi there hula girl. Just adding hugs really as hena has already asked the questions I was going to.

[HenaV]

Hi!

I want to say please don't panic but I'm sure that's exactly how you are feeling with your 2nd LOs arrival being so imminent.

Tbh - I would have said on those A times your LO us OTbwhuch is causing the EW and suggested that you try for a slightly earlier nap uncapped with normal bedtime for a few days, but if you've already tried it...

Have you tried WI/WO re: EW to try and get your LO to resettle?

Let me see if i can get you some more eyes and perhaps someone else will be able to think of something you've not already tried.

[Buntybear]

Could he be hungry? Maybe try a bowl of porridge or something before BT. This often helps Olly with NWs or EWs!

[TB9]

Hugs hun

When you let him sleep for his nap did you also push his bedtime later?  I think there are lots of LOs who go down to 10.5hrs night sleep before they drop their nap. So if it is just that he only needs 10.5hrs at night for the time being you would have 2 options if cutting nap doesnt work a) Keep 2hr nap, push bedtime a bit later b) Let him sleep for nap, and also push bedtime later.

Does he have his molars or canines yet?  Those teeth were the absolute WORST for dd1.  She never woke early until she started teething her 1yr molars and canines.  No matter when or if I medicated they still caused ews...12months to 18months was the worst age for dd1 sleep wise   If it isnt a schedule issue, then it is probably those teeth, and there may not be anything you can do about it 

When he wakes at 5/5:30am is he happy?  He could be hungry, Im sure he wouldnt be the first LO to ew during a growth spurt!

[hulagirl]

Hi thanks everyone.
He has 300ml of milk before bed and doesn't demolish his breakfast in the am, so not sure about hunger.
When he went on 1 nap we pushed Bt to 7pm and I really don't want him up any later as he was doing 7pm-6am for quite a few weeks.
He has no molars or canines but has been teething hem since Feb, it seems never ending.
I have tried letting him sleep as long ashe wants but if he sleeps past 2 pm he doesn't go down well at bedtime ( not tired enough)
Also if he was ot would he not be waking up before midnight he is very rarely grumpy and a happy child so if he is ot he is hiding it well.
He is happy as anything in the am and I do wi/wo when he wakes early and he just lays there quite happy till I go in at 6am.
I just seem to have run out of ideas. X

[hulagirl]

So last night was a typical ot night.
I expected it as we had been out and about all day and he only had 1.5 hr sleep.
We tried an early Bt 6.15pm and he still didn't fall asleep till just before 7pm

He woke up at 9.30, 11.30 and 1am
Resettled with reassurance everytime
Woke up at 6am
that's his typical behavior for being ot.
So his routine today so far has been
Wu 6am
Nap 12pm
will update after nap and Bt.
Thanks.

[hulagirl]

So nap was till 2.10pm and BT he was asleep at 7pm, straight to sleep no fussing.

[Lindsay27]

I don't have much to offer as we are in much of the same boat.  My DS is a chronic EW'er (though I do suspect OT, but his routine during the day is based on what daycare does).

His typical day looks like:

WU 5:45/6am
Nap 12:30 - 3/3:30
BT 7pm

He goes to bed with zero issues and is out like a light and sleeps through until WU.  I think the chronic EW is more a case of chronic OT, but I am just riding it out until he grows into that looooong morning A time. 

Anyway, just want to post our routine as food-for-thought, though like I said, I think when you drop to 1 nap being slightly OT and having EWs seems to be fairly normal.  At least it is for us.  My DS has never tacked on with an EBT so we have a set BT and stick to it.

[TB9]

I know some have found that bringing the nap earlier has caused ews so I think you ladies are doing the right thing by trying to keep nap at a reasonable time...because bringing too early can perpetuate the ews!  I think sometimes you just have to ride it out, whether its teething or ot or whatever 

[hulagirl]

Thanks ladies.
Think that's what I am gonna have to do just hope when baby comes she has a bottle around 5.30am rather than 4.30 am, I so don't wanna start my day at 4.30 am. Lol.
I never realised it caused ew thought it was always wu before 12am
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[hulagirl]

So Mon into Tue went like this.
Nap 12pm-2pm
Bt asleep 7pm
Slept all night till 6am

Absolutely fab
So Tue went
6am Wu
Nap 12pm-2pm
Bt asleep 7pm
Wu 12.30 every 10 min till 2.10am
Gave meds in case it was teeth at 1am in the end finally fell asleep with wiwo

Anyone got any ideas as to what is going on
Could it be the start of 18 month sleep regression
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[HenaV]

It could be. Although, teeth is probably likely to be the culprit IMO. Your day looks good, so I wouldn't have said that the sleep disturbances are routine related.

If it were me I would still with what you've now managed to establish.

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