My 16 mth old needs a routine shake up I think...

[ZacsMumme]

We've just had a great period of sleep and I'm sure this recent behaviour is UT and developmental (I think were just entering a leap) but I m not sure which way to push without causing OT.

Routine is/was
WU 7-7.30
Nap 12.30-2.30
BT 7.30

So he's resisting BT like crazy now  he doesn't act tired???but we don't want BT past this really. I'd prefer an earlier WU. I've started waking at 7.25 but it's not really doing the trick what do you think is my best move to adjust his routine to be tired enough for BT at 7.30. Earlier WU or later nap?

[creations]

Just going to move you over to toddler sleep Sara
x

[jessmum46]

I'd do later nap but keep it the same length, ie longer A before and shorter A afterwards.  That seemed to help us at a similar age when we got bedtime shenanigans!  So maybe aim for a 1-3 nap?

[ZacsMumme]

Duh TS opps!

Katherine, should I also wake him at 7? Or you think just move nap? Oh I have Zacs kindy run to contend with too. So I have to have him up by 2.50 really to get there by 3. Maybe 12.45 for a bit with an earlier WU?

Today he woke at 7 but he's day 10 from MMR and about to cut his first molar so he's poorly (mild temp, grisly, drooling) I pd at 12.10 because he was driving me nuts but he's faffing about so I know it wasn't my best move

[jessmum46]

How about waking at 7.15am then with a 12.45 nap ie a consistent 5.5h A and see how that works for him? 

[ZacsMumme]

Ok Hun. He's now waking himself at 7 but I ll wake at 7.15 otherwise. So ill do 5.5 A nap 2 hrs 5 hrs BT.

Ill report back in three days

[jessmum46]

He might need a shorter A after - just see how it goes x

[ZacsMumme]

Thanks.

I know I said 3 days but here's what I did this am
WU 7
Nap 12.30 But he is taking time to Settle which he has never done before until recently. I guess it's a good thing because before if he wasn't tired enough he screeched at me but given he's making noises and it's 12.35 should I take this into account for tomorrow and go for 12.25? I guess I m trying to work out if it's developmental or an age thing, or more likely means UT/OT/OS.

Zac did OS the heck out of him before his nap which didn't help rough and tumble and all that.

[jessmum46]

Could well be developmental, our sleep regression hit at 16 months, not 18.  I wouldn't think 5-10 mins here or there would make a difference tbh, I'd just stick with a set time for a good few days and then rethink if it's been a mess every day x

[ZacsMumme]

Ugh he's EW but then I think this was coming anyway YK? He's sttn though which he wasn't doing.

Thanks, I feel it's developmental. Z did the same thing at this age when I check old posts I guess I was after reassurance

Yesterday was
WU 7
Nap 12.35-2.35 with a noise at 1.5 (OT?)
BT 7.30 asleep 7.40 ish.

Given he's EW and it's 6.30 ( still in cot may go back to sleep) if he doesn't drift off nap would be 12 aye? He does well with A times usually when WU isn't consistent.

[ZacsMumme]

Yesterday
WU 6.30 out of cot 7
Nap 12.20-2.20-30 I can't remember opps!
BT 7.20 straight to sleep.

Finally he's settling at BT but he is ew instead last few nights we have had 5.30 ish cry outs. I'm pretty cure they're teething related.

Today WU 6.30 I'll keep him in his cot till 7

[Me.and.my.two.boys]

Just saw this - such an awkward age isn't it? If he will stay in his cot without crying I would leave him until 7 (mainly so I didn't have to get out of bed before 7 though lol)

I'm aiming for 5hr A in the morning and 4hr A in the afternoon/evening - don't have a clue whether it will make a difference though? Lol!

[jessmum46]

See how you go Sara but that EW could also be OT  we quite often do 5.5 to 6h A pre nap, usually around 1h30 nap then only 4-4.5h afterwards.  If the early mornings persist perhaps move BT 30 mins earlier?

[ZacsMumme]

I kind of felt it's OT behaviour too but then it doesn't make sense if he was fighting BT to make a 12.5 hr day on 5hrs A then 5.5 and I move him to 5hrs15 then 5hrs/15 and he goes straight to sleep but then ew. he started this the day I was going to wake him anyway (so before I made the change) and his routine had been the same in months.

Hence why I'm a little confused. I do wonder if teething is messing him up this am he was a mess until I medicated! he's hot and clammy too.

Gone for 12 nap and will try earlier BT too (aim for 7) but I'm on my own tonight so may not be smooth sailing.

Thing is ladies he has been on 5 hrs A since 1 yr old. On one nap since 10 mths. He isn't a HSN kid, he is LSN and high A. He needs to burn energy to be tired. but sleeps well IF he is tired. We generally get nw if he isn't tired or in pain. That said he's a different agenda ow and they do change so much. Since this he is also sttn, before he was nw x 1 ugh ugh

[jessmum46]

How are things now hun?  Sorry ended up with a bit of a tummy bug  so not been on as much as I would usually in last couple of days.

J was always high A/LSN but once she really settled into one nap I've found she's having the most sleep she's ever had.  I guess some of that is that as they grow they are just so much busier, more active, learning loads that they must need the sleep.  We average around 13-13.5h now in 24 and struggled to hit that much for a long time previously!

Don't forget his age though if nothing seems to fix it.  We had probably 4-6 weeks of crazy at this age (18m SR come early I think) and in the end I just went with set times and stuck to it and rode out the silliness.  Is his language taking off by any chance?