Which to preserve, a longer nap or a longer night?

[ZacsMumme]

Then maybe you do need to work to loose the nap? Perhaps one day nap and one day NND and see how that pans out? I have no btdt experience but am sure you have, have seen this suggestion made elsewhere x

We did the 1-0 with NND vs nap days Hun. Only very close to the end did I start extreme capping ie 30 mins early in the day ie 11. Worked well for Z but it's not for everyone.

[anna*]

Yep think we will have to try alternate days. Can anticipate its going to be tough getting CM and gran on board but we'll get there!

[Shiv52]

I think nap day and NND works better than capping the nap everyday for some LOs. It like I think Mashi says the NND makes them tired enough to nap and still have a reasonable bedtime on nap days.

What I will say though is this is new for Aud. And she's happy at  the minute still going to bed and chattering but I imagine that will not last long term and she'll start to get fed up as she's too UT.  So if you do what to keep the nap I do think you may need to consider a later bedtime as part of the plan.

[*Ali*]

Sorry if this has already been suggested but would she go down earlier and cap the nap herself if UT?

[anna*]

Becky this has been weeks and weeks now. I posted about needing to cap her nap back in Dec, and then again about having trouble falling asleep in Feb.

Ali, we don't really have set enough naps to be able to tell. Nap time can be anywhere from 12.30-2 depending on whom she is with and the activities for the day. We actually have only been capping naps for the last couple of weeks-ish, but even uncapped she very rarely goes more than 1.5hrs. VERY rarely, only if she's unwell or catching up. So Friday she was poorly, had a fever and tearful all day, she had an early nap, DID sleep 2hrs, but was awake til gone 9pm (apparently feeling much better). And that was AFTER a NND on Thursday.

[*Ali*]

Will she do just a CN in the buggy or car?

What do you think about alternating nap and NNDs?

[anna*]

She would I am sure do a catnap, but the hard part is planning it. She may or may not. Childminder has other kids around from 3pm, granny also has Aud's cousin. So 1-2 x per week when she is home alone with me then yes. When Stan's home at the weekend it's not so easy to drag him out for a car ride or a walk (plus if he was on a walk with us Audrey would want to be running/climbing/scooting/doing whatever with him).

I think we'll give it a try, alternating - the hard part is going to be to get CM and granny on board with the NNDs. Aud already does average 1 x NND per week. She had no nap today - had an hour of quiet time lying on the couch with Stan watching Caillou, and coped really great in the afternoon even though we went swimming and then out to grandpa's. Out within 10 mins at 7pm (from an 8.15 ish wake up this morning).

[*Ali*]

Would it work to do NNDs on the week days you have A and on one of the weekend days? Then days she is with the CM or your mum she could have her decent nap? Is it the same days each week that you have her or does it change?

[anna*]

It's the same each week.

So yest was NND, all fine. She had a nap with the CM today, 1hr40 (woke herself, 1-2.40) and seemed tired at bedtime. Went for 7.15 bed but half an hour later she's still awake and calling out intermittently.

[*Ali*]

What time is she getting up in the morning? Just wondering if the 8.15am you mentioned is typical? If so she may need a later BT in nap days to give her at least a 12hr day.

[anna*]

No not typical, I don't wake them up on a weekend but even so it's unusual to have such a long lie in. Week days I wake them up at 7-7.15 (occasionally they are awake already but never before 6.45)

[*Becky*]

yes I wondered that too.....

[*Ali*]

Maybe with more NNDs she will start using the naps as catch up and be more tired at BT even on nap days.

[anna*]

Maybe with more NNDs she will start using the naps as catch up and be more tired at BT even on nap days.

Hope so! That's the plan... Finally asleep at 8pm tonight.

[momma.bear]

We're having the same thing here. DD is 2 yrs &10 months. Always been high sleep needs. The past little while she's been falling asleep later and later. It took me a bit to notice as she would just lie there often, but it took her up to an hour some nights to fall asleep. I'd put her to bed around 7, she'd be asleep around 8, and then up not long after 6. Then she'd have a good 2-2.5 hour nap. Out of the blue this past week she has refused naps 3 out of the 5 past days. But she's sleeping 12 hours at night, so still getting the same amount of sleep. And handling it really well. Not sure I have any advice, just think it's probably best to let them lead. I'm enforcing 'quiet time', where a nap is offered, but whether she sleeps or not, she needs to stay in her room.