Question about A time during 2-1 transition

[linny75]

My DD is going through the 2-1 transition. Last night she had EBT of 5.30 and woke at 6am, a lovely stretch! Do I stretch her out to midday nap as she has had this amount of night sleep?
Thanks!

[Kellyjs]

Personally I would stretch the A time a little more after that great night sleep. What easy are you working on atm? Might be easier to advise. Great you're embracing the EBT though and that she tacks on, brilliant news!

[linny75]

Her EASY is a bit inconsistent at the mo, sometimes doing one nap, other days doing 2 naps. Strangely this morning, she seemed so tired at 10am, constantly yawning and rubbing her eyes, I put her down for a nap and she slept 1.5 hr. She then had a very short catnap 3.30-3.45, and asleep for the night at 6.45. I thought she might have lasted more than 4hrs after having a 12.5 hr night. So at the mo I can't seem to get one nap consistently which is making her easy inconsistent

[linny75]

I'm trying to get her to a 7-7 easy, so nap at midday for a couple hrs, but it's not quite happening! She started taking waking earlier with 2 good naps, and taking longer to fall asleep at bedtime hence thinking she is starting the 2-1 transition?

[Kellyjs]

Sounds about right hun, it'll be good to take a note of the total hrs sleep she's having in a 24hr period. That'll help with the transition whilst everything is a bit wonky. 2 nap days are inevitable during the transition so they can have an opportunity to catch up. A good thing to remember might be if she wakes earlier than say 6.30, do a two nap day. At a 7am wu you could try for a one nap day. It really is trial and error until you can find what works best for her. For example my DD has always preferred a longer A in the morning, so it took me a little while to keeping pushing that first A so that we could get a decent nap and the A to BT wasn't too long causing OT NW's in the early part of the night. Took me a good couple of weeks to figure out the right A time for her x

[linny75]

She slept 6.30 and woke 5.30 this morning. Do you think I should do a 2 nap day today?

[Kellyjs]

Yes I would to try and get to a reasonable BT, what you did before sounds good x

[linny75]

Hi, it's me again. I'm still really struggling with this. I can't get her to sleep any later than 6am whether I so 2 naps or 1 nap. She has stopped embracing EBT and waking up after 10.5 hrs night sleep. Yesterday she woke at 5.10. I decided to stretch her out til 11.30 nap and she slept for 2.15 hr. She was on her cot for 6.50pm but didn't fall asleep til 7.40 and woke screaming  this morning at 5.34. I didn't get her up straight away but kept going in saying night night and walking out. It's 7am now and she still hasn't fallen back asleep so I think I will get her up for the day. This has been happening since your last reply. I am just thinking whether the chopping and changing between 1 and 2 naps is causing this and whether I should just consistently go for 1 nap whatever time she wakes? I'm so tired, really need help. I'm going through a miscarriage at present which is making my tiredness worse. X

[Martini~]

Hello Honey, popping in to support Kelly as maybe she is still Xmassing:).
Have you mentioned earlier how old is your LO? I might missed that.

With 2-1 transition it sometimes happens that they are ready for 1 nap at some period of time and than they go back to 2 naps for a while. It might be connected to their new abilities to crawl/cruise/walk - they just get much more tired:)! Btw I am also going through 2-1 with my LSN 10mo...! And he just started crawling so is very tired!

Right now your DD looks a bit OT (10,5h nights) but she seems to catch up nicely on her naps which is also good. You may try to help her to overcome it by doing even earlier EBT or try to ditch a 5-10min catnap somewhere around 4-5pm. On the day she had her 2:15 nap (woke at 13:45...?) how she behaved at 6:40 when you put her down? It was 13h+ after her wakeup so despite short A till BT she could be OT.

And Kelly asked already but how much was she sleeping before transition? I am asking as for my boy it is 11,5-12h night but only maks to 2h of day time sleep.

Being on your place I would go for:
- always push for 1 nap day with long first A
- set BT of 6/6:30pm not later (as she is waking before 6 right now, than you may slightly push it back to 6:30/7:00) if nap was around 2h
- if you see that she is very tired in the afternoon try to offer a catnap of 5-10min (sometimes and with some kids almost impossible but my DS will take it if not offered to late as after 4pm he is not settling well)
- if the nap was crap I would offer really EBT but it's always tricky if you don't know what time to put her down; when you say she stopped embracing EBT does it mean she fights it or she goes to sleep easily but wake after 10,5h?

Btw - does she have any NW?

[linny75]

Hi there
Thanks for relying! She just turned one couple if weeks ago.
She used to average a good 13.5/14 hr total sleep when she was on 2 naps. 11 hrs at night and 2 x 1.5hr naps. She then started the 2-1 transition and her sleep is deteriorating. I had one occasion when I put her to bed 5.30 and she woke 6am but since, with EBT she sleeps for 10/10.5 hrs . She always goes to bed easily, that is no bedtime struggles even if it takes a while for her to fall asleep there's no screaming she moans and groans/talks to herself til she falls asleep. Like last night. This morning I put her for her nap at 10.35, as she was sooo tired and grumpy after a 10hr night and she slept 1.45. She rarely has any night awakenings , has on occasions, but I've never really had to go in a resettle, she resettles herself.
I think you might be right about her having too long a day. So tonight do you think I should put her to bed 5.30, as she woke 5.34?
Xx

[linny75]

Oh forgot to answer your question about how she behaved last night when she had a 2.15 nap and was in her cot at 6.45. She seemed fine, a little tired as she was yawning x

[Martini~]

EBT at 5:30 could be an option if it's still possible for you (it's 7pm here:D) but even with 12h night you are stuck to 5:30am WU. So my plan would be to go for 5:30 today and if she does 11,5-12h night I would push the morning A up to 5,5h at least (so you have 1:45-2:00 nap) and than aim for 4,5h till BT. I would go with this routine as she seems to be liking shorter A till BT so she doesn't get OT and is coping well with catching up on naps (1:45 after 10,5h night and 5h A!).

Regarding her being tired... It will happen with this transition especially signs are seen in the morning in my opinion. I would try to be consistent and go for a stick routine. When she is tired, try some low activity - me and DS if he is very tired go for a walk in the stroller or I just walk with him around the house and give him a while so he "rests".

[linny75]

I had to put here to bed at 5 in the end, she was so tired and grumpy that she wouldn't even eat a lot of her dinner! I'm hoping she will at least give me a 12 hr night. If she does, do I put her for nap at 10.30? Assuming she takes a 2 hr nap, that would be 12.30 wake, then if I do a 4/5 hr to BT, she'll be going to bed 5/5.30 again? I wouldn't want her to get into this cycle though. X

[Martini~]

Let's see what happens. She had 11,5h day and 1:45 nap so let's see when she wakes.
If she wakes after 10-10,5h, it will be MOTN so just treat as NW and try to make her to go back to sleep. If she does 11,5+ I would stretch her morning A to 5,5h and afternoon one to 4,5h at least. It means that you are working on 12h night, 10h of A and 2h nap which is 14h of sleep for 24h. You cannot count on more according to what she was doing before.

I know that this might be difficult but I would firstly try to have a working routine even 5-5 with 11-12h nights and than try to switch - if you still want to work on one nap.

Another option I would consider is accepting that she is not yet ready for a full one nap routine and maybe offer a morning catnap of 5-15min and later midday nap so she is not so OT. Kelly will probably pop in soon but she told me that was her routine in transition period, and I am also probably going to try that with my DS.
So something like this:
5am wakeup
7/7:30 nap for 15min
11:30-1/1:30pm nap (or any other time - you have to get a decent sleep here)
6pm BT the latest

[linny75]

With the other option you mentioned, do you mean offer her a 15min catnap at 7/7.30 even though age has just done a 12hr night? I'm just wondering if she would be tired enough to take it