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Re: Almost 9 month old
« Reply #60 on: May 19, 2015, 02:34:24 am »
After a 30 minute nap, I would still PD between 3.5-4 hours, to ensure that at least she sleeps :) You could cap the nap if it is too long or bring BT forward if it is too short






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Re: Almost 9 month old
« Reply #61 on: May 19, 2015, 02:39:34 am »
Ok thank you. I'll just muddle through for awhile And hope it starts to get better. Thank you for All your time and help 😀

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Re: Almost 9 month old
« Reply #62 on: May 21, 2015, 14:19:38 pm »
Laura, hi hun. How was the day? Are you going to pull back and hold for a while?






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Re: Almost 9 month old
« Reply #63 on: May 21, 2015, 23:21:34 pm »
Heya!! Well she went to sleep for the night at 5! Woke an hour later, woke again 3 hours later, then slept through until 5.30am. Put her back down after a drink, in hopes she'd catch up. She slept 35mins. And now she's still awake at 3hrs40mins. Her days completely off. She still hasn't had a morning nap yet and it's almost lunch time. I don't know, but this phase is the worst we've had yet!!!

Have no idea what the afternoon will be like. I'm guessing more resisting. I hope she at least gets one nap in 😔
I guess I'll go for 3.45 first A and hold for a while. Have you ever heard of an almost 10 month old going on nap strike ??!!!!! We've just started a WW leap. And she's trying to crawl.

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Re: Almost 9 month old
« Reply #64 on: May 22, 2015, 02:36:09 am »
Lol. I HAD a 7 month old who went on a nap strike :'( But as I said -- it was over stimulation leading to a second wind. Can you think back to the situation before nap time - anything out of the ordinary? Anything that suddenly piqued her interest? WRT this morning, I guess she was just done with NS at that point. And then after the 35 minute nap, she is probably up for a normal A to naptime. Developmental milestones like crawling do mess with sleep. Does she practice in her crib? Sometimes they are so keen to practice that they don't want to stop to sleep even! I remember Katherine saying to me - You can only give her the opportunity to sleep. You cannot make her sleep.' (Unfortunately)

I think Fleur found that with the pm catnap, even 2h was too long to BT - is that right, Fleur? So by bringing BT earlier you end up with more sleep overall and not so OT. The UT am nap scenario can be prone to EW if you allow that nap to be too long but if 4h is getting a good first nap then I'd stick with it and just pull back on subsequent A times. Be aware that tiredness will build up throughout the day so as Fleur said, if the combined A times are approaching 10h then you'll need to bring BT forward, perhaps by shortening the 2nd nap, but I can't advise whether to make that UT as no experience with long am, short pm.
I hadn't seen this post before so commenting now -- At 7 months, I found that we could get a long am nap but only a short pm nap. DD needed 2.5 hours of day sleep for a 12 hour day, so I would tweak the day accordingly on days when it wasn't adding up by bringing bedtime forward.

I'm just going to write down a few things that have worked with us
- With EWs -- With DD, she rarely needs a NF and I found around 7 months that feeding was not even getting her back to sleep - and then she wouldn't nurse well with me in the morning. So, if I couldn't RS in the crib, I would hold her till as close to normal WU as possible. If I couldn't get her to sleep in my arms either, I would get her up, do normal A time and then put down for her nap.

- I think around this age, you have to be very flexible and just go with the flow. So plan your day based on WU and then tweak and cap as you go along.

- Regarding this nap refusal, I honestly feel it is because she is UT going down and so is fighting sleep. But I may be completely off base! When they start working on skills, if they are not tired out enough, they just power on and get OT in the process. I feel that your NWs and EWs might be due to this OT buildup, especially if there is a long gap between pm nap and BT. We have found that NWs soon after BT mean OT.

- Can you APOP (accidentally parent on purpose) a CN on nap refusal days? For instance, we had a similar scenario to what you described. The reason I didn't opt for EBT and waited to get the CN was that she had already been up WAY too long and in trying to get her to sleep, I had wasted even more time. EBT works well as a counter to OT but pointless if she is already madly OT to begin with, right? So, on both days, after trying everything possible, FINALLY around 2 hours later she started showing sleep cues and I popped her in the sling for a quick CN. Then immediately on to BT routine and in bed asap. We had good nights on all those days.

- WWs definitely lead to short naps. But strangely enough, during these times they seem to get by very comfortably on less sleep. Just so much going on, I guess. Just accept the short nap and if RS isn't possible, move on and PD again after reducing A by 10-15 minutes.  I have also found A times increase after a WW.

I know this is tough, hun. Went through and keep going through the same thing with my DD. This sleep thing isn't easy at all! I think with your DD it is very important not to put down too early as she does not seem to do the UT sleeps. I do feel she is getting a second wind but not sure about how/where - you would have to observe her to figure out.  Please stay hopeful - this will work out. Here to support you through this. :-*






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Re: Almost 9 month old
« Reply #65 on: May 22, 2015, 07:21:23 am »
Thank you so much for all the tips !!
I guess it's to be expected - she is a baby after all!! HA!! she used to be such a good sleeper though!

She fell asleep at 3.45WT and slept 1hr15mins (Woke fairly happy)
Second WT of 3.30 and slept 50mins (woke very upset) UT??  Was actually glad she woke at this point as by then it was 5pm so wanted to get her into bed soon after.  Her last WT was only 1.5hrs - but TWT including that early morning wake was almost 9.5/10.

What TWT should I be working to at almost 10 months? 10?

I think I'm going to try this for a week or more.

WU - 6/6.30
3.45 WT - 1.15nap (hopefully!!)
3.45 WT - 1.15 nap (hopefully!)

She's just woken up after being asleep for the night after only 1 hour again!!! Arghhh - this OT business takes awhile to get rid of huh?!!!

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Re: Almost 9 month old
« Reply #66 on: May 22, 2015, 08:58:14 am »
Hugs Laura - yes, OT can be a real pain and take several days to catch up with, I 'm afraid :( But know that all your efforts are not in vain, imagine how much worse things would be otherwise! Just following on for support really as my experience is only with UT short am naps and longer pm. But I do know there is a sleep regression which variously gets called 8/9/10mo, so you 're certainly not alone in that and maybe you can see that as good news since they don't last forever :) Having said that, the more you can log what's going on and think about what action to take, realising that sleep needs do change, especially as Fleur said after a ww, the more ready you'll be to guide her into an appropriate routine when the SR does pass. Just wondering, what does she do when she wakes early in the morning? Mine would actually lie there and chatter and/or fuss a bit until I got them up, ruling out hunger or other discomforts. At this age some people find A times work well but others tend towards more set naps/up/BT times, especially if their LOs are being really confusing, at least that can help to make the day more predictable, if that's what you like. Personally, we've gone gradually towards set times, meaning the first nap is set but I still tweak the rest of the day a bit if necessary. BT in particular, for us needs to be flexible depending on day sleep, but I do find as they get older the body clock takes over so I've needed to keep it closer to the 'usual' time, iyswim?



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Re: Almost 9 month old
« Reply #67 on: May 22, 2015, 09:29:23 am »
Yes, I saw a bit about a regression! Feels like we just survived the 4 month one !!! 😳😳

I wish the UT then longer pm carried on working! The week that it was was when she started seeing through the night again. Then all of a sudden the pm nap got trickier.
Ummm when she wakes early she'll cry out, I leave her for up to 10 mins, sometimes she'll settle back. Otherwise the cry will escalate.

Hmm id love to do set nap times. But I don't think she does too well with an UT pm nap. She used to go off to sleep quickly no matter what A time, granted it was at least 3hrs, up until last week !! So much can change in a matter of days !!

Does your Lo always manage a longer afternoon nap ?
Actually thinking back, the week of the good naps, she started waking earlier and earlier in the morning. She's such a sensitive wee soul! Why oh why do they act so tired when you're BFing them though ? I bf her Before the second nap and at 3hrs after that first nap her eyes are drooping closed while she's feeding !!??? Do your Los do this ?

I really appreciate all your input, thank you so much

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Re: Almost 9 month old
« Reply #68 on: May 22, 2015, 22:41:37 pm »
So last night. We had a cry out 1hr after going to sleep for night. Was back to sleep within 2mins though. Then another short cry out around 10pm. Went back to sleep on her own quickly. Then she woke up at 6.15am. She went to sleep for night at 6.15. So not a bad night really. Stretched her to 3.40 first WT and she slept 35mins, woke for 10 mins and talked to herself for a bit. And now she's just gone back to sleep. She did this heaps in her last Ww. The waking up and going back thing.

Let's hope the afternoon nap is ok today. Will be trying at 3.45 WT 😀

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Re: Almost 9 month old
« Reply #69 on: May 23, 2015, 09:20:26 am »
Glad she did a good night, maybe a touch OT by the sounds of things but certainly sounds like she's beginning to get on too of that :) I think mine both also did the waking up and going back to sleep thing in developmental spurts, I didn't know about ww with DS though. Could also be so many other things of course...

Hope I'm not seeming to contradict Fleur with the short am,  long pm thing - just trying to give you an idea of the other option so you can choose between them, since it did seem to work for a while before. My LOs haven't always managed long pm naps with the short am, but when that starts to happen more consistently and isn't obviously due to something else, I've shaved a bit more off the morning nap and maybe shifted the pm nap a bit and got back to nice long ones. This way is prone to EWs, which would be caused by better daytime sleep leading to slight UT BT (so push BT later a teeny bit - I've never been strict on 12h nights, mine have coped well on 10.5 - 13h nights at various stages and depending on how the naps went), and/or first nap too long for the first A time. So in your situation a few weeks back I'd have definitely tried capping the morning nap a little. I just felt for a long time that DS couldn't manage a longer A in the morning, so used the short morning nap to build up enough tiredness for the pm nap, if that makes sense. I don't nurse before a nap but in my experience they need to seem really tired before daytime naps (even without nursing) to take a good one. However if they were really rubbing eyes, drifting off whilst feeding at BT, that was a sign of OT and often resulted in a second wind after PD.

Need to get DD up from her morning nap now!



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Re: Almost 9 month old
« Reply #70 on: May 24, 2015, 03:19:56 am »
Heya !! Yeah I feel Immy can't do long first A. But God knows these days! She is ALWAYS acting tired. A good night, 11.5hrs straight through, 1.05 morning nap today on 3.45WT. Now she's fighting the afternoon one again. Currently been awake 4.5hrs 😳😳 her tooth has just started popping through the gum. Argh. So at a loss of what's going on. I thought I'd had bad patches before, but this is another level of bad 😁😁

I might give 4hrs First WT another go I think, If I could get a longer morning nap it wouldn't be so bad, it's currently 3.30pm and she's only had 1.05hrs sleep all day 😳

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Re: Almost 9 month old
« Reply #71 on: May 24, 2015, 10:06:45 am »
hugs Laura, teething's bound to mess everything up I'm afraid :( What time did you start trying for the pm nap? Are you giving her pain meds?



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Re: Almost 9 month old
« Reply #72 on: May 24, 2015, 12:11:56 pm »
Thanks hun. 3.5hrs. Is that too long do you think? With I was doing short am long pm she would go down between 3/3,15 hrs Wt and then sleep 1.30-2hrs. I'd love to go back to that now! It's a lot better than this! Fell asleep for 1.20 after 5.5 hrs of being awake !! Having worst night since she was a newborn 😁 it's midnight. She's woken every hour 😱
Feeling as though pushing WTs will be hard on such horrible night sleep !

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Re: Almost 9 month old
« Reply #73 on: May 24, 2015, 13:25:35 pm »
Oh hugs Laura that sounds horrible :( did you give her pain meds? If you did want to try UT am nap again, do you think she'd go down after 3/3.15h like before? Since she obviously has OT to catch up on, I'd be tempted to try the last routine that worked. Then when she starts messing around again for the pm nap, you can try capping the first nap to 1h maybe? What are you doing currently when she's not getting to sleep? Wi/wo or staying with her maintaining physical contact? I've personally found wi/wo works better here but all babies are different of course... Hope you get some decent sleep tonight!



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Re: Almost 9 month old
« Reply #74 on: May 24, 2015, 20:09:14 pm »
And then she woke at 5 am!! ekkkk - got her back to sleep but was only for 45 mins. 
HORRIFIC huh!!! I think her TWT was way too high though.  Not sure if its routine or teeth? 
Even if she wasn't really tired she would take an UT nap.  Now she fights and fights.
Yeah I've tried the 3/3.15 WT after a 1hr morning nap.  But she won't go to sleep!
So strange aye?
Not too sure what ill do today - but Im definitely not going to push her first WT as she's already OT and could make it worse?!
I hope this bad patch ends really soon!!
Yeah I give her pain meds - but doesn't make a difference - so wondering if thats even the problem?!
Um so the last few days I've done - 3.5 first WT - 3.5 second WT - but she messes about for ages! The other day she went to sleep at the 4 hr mark, woke at 30mins but resettled her for another hour.  But yesterday and a couple of days ago - it was a complete nap resistance - but finally got her to sleep after 5.5hrs WT yesterday arvo!! So not like her at all.