10 month old refusing afternoon nap - starting 2-1?

[clairebear79]

Hi! I've not posted here for ages, did BW with DS as a baby (he's now 5) & I now have dd (10 months). So far we've just gone with the flow as its hard to keep to a strict routine and also fit in school runs/ds' activities. But I feel we're at a stage now where we could use a little advice.

I suspect dd may be starting the 2-1. She's typically always had a long am short pm nap, but is refusing her afternoon nap a lot at the moment. Then she's getting tired either when we have to do the school run, but doesnt fall asleep in the pushchair, or when we get home at 4/5pm (which i feel is too late - if she naps after 4pm I can't get her down at bedtime) so most days is only having one nap, from 9.30/10am - anywhere between 11-12 (occasionally later). She used to get up at 7am but this is getting earlier & often 6-6.15am. She's not been an early waker up to now (ds was horrific) so don't want to fall into the trap of offering early naps as I know it doesnt help. She is starting to look really tired & has red circles under her eyes so I think something needs to change but not sure what to do.

There used to be a few sticky posts on the 2-1 with advice on what to do but i can't find them. Also sample routines for her age group. Can anyone point me in the right direction or offer any advice on how i can help her to look /be less tired?

Thanks

[creations]

Hi

Is this what you're looking for?
From 2 to 1 nap transition (10-12m and older)
Sample EASY Routines from 0 - 13mths+

FAQs for EASY and SLEEP are now grouped on the main home page board if you need to find them - give me a shout if there is something else you can't find though.

It's very early to move to 1 nap but if she is refusing nap 2 and generally only getting 1 nap anyway I would move it out as late as you can to even up the day then give EBT.  With the EBT keep in mind how long her nights usually were before the 2-1 started, don't expect too much more than that, LOs can extend the night to make up for the lost nap but it might only be an extra 30 or 60 mins and the longer night may only last a few weeks.  You also know she can nap up to 4pm and still make BT which is worth keeping in mind as you extend the first A and move the nap later.

[malibu_nikkus]

How early is too early for BT during this phase?

[creations]

It really depends on your usual routine and how your LO is. Some give EBT as early as 5pm or even 4.30pm as some LOs will give a 14hr night.
Perhaps you'd like to start a new thread so you can get some individual advice and support.

[malibu_nikkus]

That's helpful, thanks.  I just was too nervous to put her to bed before 6.  I was worried shed wake at 7 ready for another play

[clairebear79]

Hi creations thanks for taking the time to reply & sorry its been a while coming back to you.
Yes those were the links, and I've found a few more helpful ones now too thankyou.

I've been working on pushing her nap later to more like 10.30/11 but I think overtiredness is now setting in. Her nap is still long, but its restless, and she's getting restless at night too.She's been waking on & off from 5am & is generally getting up for the day at 5.45-6am now which is even earlier than before. This is making it a struggle to reach her later nap time as she is starting to rub her eyes at 8.30/9am.

I'm pretty sure she still needs 2 naps, its just unfortunate we have a school run right when its time for nap 2. And by the time we're home its already 4pm & too late(in my eyes) for a nap or it pushes bedtime back by an hour.

 I've been very reluctant to meddle with her naps up to now, (got completely stressed out when I did it with ds & naps ruled my life) but am wondering if I need to chop the am nap short in order to force a pm nap before I get ds from school.

[creations]

I've never had to work around a school run but it sounds like a good plan

[clairebear79]

First attempt this morning, up at 6am, let her have 45mins 9.30-10.15(too long?) & tried putting down at 1.30 - failed - too early? What sort of A should I be looking at after a shortened nap?
Gonna re-try in a bit after she's had her bottle but if she doesn't go soon she'll not get much of a sleep before school time. Its only an issue because we live so close to school that there's not enough time for her to be lulled asleep in the  pushchair or sling!

[creations]

Might be an idea to start a new thread with something like '2-1 with short morning nap' in the title? Sorry I'm not great with short morning nap and gauging A times following, I mean I could have a go but you'd have better support with someone who used a routine like that yk? (see mine liked a super long first A time, there was no way he'd go down early for a short nap)

Sorry honey x

[clairebear79]

Ah ok thanks. I'll try that later. I finally got her down at 2.30 but she's woken after just 30 mins so not sure short am is going to suit us if she's just going to refuse pm regardless.

[creations]

Maybe if you extended the first A time to get a good nap you could still get a CN later if you allowed Bt to also move later. Some LOs need a good length A time before BT. Mine was great with quite a short A time to BT but even so we moved to 8pm BT for a while.
Also worth remembering, after some refusal they can surprise us by going back to accepting the naps (both). Mine also did this it was like he was trying out skipping a nap and then he realised he needed it so went down happily again.