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DH wants to CIO, I refuse. Feeling alone.
« on: January 19, 2006, 19:08:03 pm »
I am looking for some wisdom and/or support.  My husband is home with us for two hours a day of our daughters awake time/bedtime.  He is frustrated as am I with the hysterics involved in putting our dd to bed at night.  She is just over five months old.  He wants to let her cry until she falls asleep.  I have only done this once as I had to get some air once and she only slept for 10 mins.  Anyway I am feeling pretty alone these days in that I am the one who bears all the naps, daytime grumps, bedtime and middle of the night.  He is helpful and cares about my well-being but because we are not on the same page I end up doing it all.

We/I am doing my best to extend naps and establish a wind down routine.  Also using pu/pd which is mostly my holding her until she is calm then patting her gently in her crib till she falls asleep.  In the night she goes in her crib and falls right to sleep.  I assume this is because it is so calm, dark and quiet.  I always swaddle her and use radio static as white noise.  Does anyone have daytime suggestions for a spirited baby wind down routine. 

So I guess my main issue here is can someone lend some advice pro or con regarding CIO.  I am confused, frustrated with lack of progress and feeling alone in this.

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DH wants to CIO, I refuse. Feeling alone.
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2006, 19:14:21 pm »
Have you seen the CIO announcement at the top of this forum?  Very good reasons not to do it.  Can you make her room darker in the daytime?  Cant's help much in the spirited department, but there is a group of moms over in the EASY forum with spirited babes.  Remember you are not alone in this.  You can always come hang out with us when you need encouragement. :wink:
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DH wants to CIO, I refuse. Feeling alone.
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2006, 20:01:53 pm »
Ok, bad me. The CIO thing is in the Health forum. :oops:   I saw my goof and when I tried to fix it, the board went AWOL on me.
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Re: DH wants to CIO, I refuse. Feeling alone.
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2006, 21:13:10 pm »
Hi there! I am sorry you are having a rough time. I was in the same boat with the hubby wanting to do the CIO method. However, when he actually heard Gage really cry a little bit, he couldnt take it. How long is lo awake between naps?


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Re: DH wants to CIO, I refuse. Feeling alone.
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2006, 10:10:05 am »
We've made a lot of progress with dd in the last 6 weeks, so maybe our experience can be of some help.  Pat/shush really never worked for us - jsut got dd more agitated - and since she is a spirited little thing PU/PD wasn't too helpful as it just stimulated her more.  But it was taking ages to get her down for naps and at bedtime.  Anyway, we tweaked the going-to-bed routine slightly so that we swaddled and tucked her in, kissed her, put out the lamp and then left the room.  Previously we had put the lamp out before we sat with her for a few minutes (her normally crying because she knew it was sleep time as it was dark), then put her in bed, spent ages trying to shush her to sleep and pin her arms down.....  Very exhausting. 

We'd stopped swaddling at 7/8 weeks as she was always escaping (even the miracle blanket), but when i came to this site for help in December i discovered a swaddling technique that we introduced and it really helps her to calm herself.  I know you're already swaddling, but maybe you could tweak the way you do it to see if it helps?  It's kind of the Aussie swaddle, but we leave her hands up by her ears where she likes them, then just tuck her forearms under the fold of the sheet.  At night we swaddle over her lightweight sleeping bag, but during the day we just swaddle directly, but we always tuck her in with a blanket too - this helps stop her kicking her legs up in the air. 

So when we leave her on her own she sometimes moans a bit, but it isn't really a cry (maybe it's like a mantra cry that they talk about on this site...?), and I keep going in to her every couple of minutes or so until she falls asleep.  First of all we started this at bedtime and it took about 40-45 minutes till she was asleep (she must have been thinking 'what the heck is going on? we don't do it like this!'), then within a few days it was 20 minutes, now it's generally silent in her room within 5 minutes and i don't normally need to go in at all to reassure her.  Once this was working well at bedtime i started doing the same thing for naps, and now she goes down pretty well for these too - sometimes straight to sleep all by herself, occasionally needing some reassurance.  When I go in to reassure her, i don't pick her up, i just kiss her, stroke her cheek, shush a little bit, tell her we're just going to go to sleep, and then leave again.  I'm not letting her cry - if she was really crying i'd stay with her - i'm just letting her settle herself and going in to reassure her if she can't seem to manage it.  Often when I go in, she'll practically fall asleep as soon as i open the door. 

I must add that i've also had to learn how to get dd to bed in time.  Being spirited she doesn't give many cues as to when she's starting to get tired, so i have to take her to her room well before she gets sleepy.  By the time she starts to yawn she's already swaddled in her cot.  We don't actually have much of a wind-down routine.  Perhaps i just make sure she's not under her gymini after about an hour and a quarter of being awake - so i sit with her on my knee, looking at a book, playing with a kleenex box, checking emails or whatever.  Then when it's time, i change her nappy in her room, say bye-bye mister sunshine (during the day) while i put the blind down, then do the rest like i already said. 

Don't get me wrong, our sleeping patterns aren't perfect (dealing with short morning nap and early morning wake-up), but actually going to sleep is now ok.  I have to keep reminding myself that this is something good that we've achieved, when i'm feeling so despondent about the other things.....!

Anyway, hope this helps a little.  I know how difficult it is with a spirted lo, not that we'd change them for the world as they can be so lively and fun too!  xx



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Re: DH wants to CIO, I refuse. Feeling alone.
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2006, 10:20:02 am »
Charlotte,

We had the same issue..... I practically had to take over AK's sleep training because I knew DH would let her cry.

Everything changed when once DH put her down in her crib, she turned away and went to sleep. He was completely amazed by it, and since then, he is more supportive. I still have to keep an eye on him, though...

Hang in there.... AK is a very spirited girl, but I have found that if you do the same thing every day over and over and over again, at some point, they get it.

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Re: DH wants to CIO, I refuse. Feeling alone.
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2006, 19:14:40 pm »
Thank you everyone.  Once I had read the announcement on why not to CIO I had all the strength I needed to insist to DH we were not letting her CIO.  It suprises me how many people give that advice.  "Let her cry a few times and she won't pull that again". 

The article brought tears to my eyes.  I will not give up.


Raquelita1 - I am so glad you have made progress.  It is a confidence booster.  I have said to DH that when I have a good day I feel like I can take on the world... some days... not so much.  I love the pic of your little one.  She reminds me of my dd.  Do you mind give me more detail on your swaddle?  Either pm or post.  I would like to try something new.  She really really seems to find comfort in sucking on a blanket.


gage's mom - she is awake anywhere between 1.20 to 1.40.  I get concerned about this because she is 5.5 months old and it seems like she should have more A time than that.  Once feeding and burping are done there is very little fun time before we start to wind down.   BTW today is a good day.  Very little screaming and I can tell she looks at me and says "mommy I am tired and I need your help."  That makes her seem like less of a crazy monster. ;-)

Sometimes my husband thinks I am crazy and spend too much time reading baby books or researching on the net but it is nice when all that work and worry pays off and he can see it.  The naps and bedtime are a long time in the making though.

Thank you again everyone.




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Re: DH wants to CIO, I refuse. Feeling alone.
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2006, 19:23:16 pm »
Yay for Charlie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D   One good day turns into two.  Sooner or later, they outnumber the not so good ones.  Keep it up!
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Re: DH wants to CIO, I refuse. Feeling alone.
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2006, 19:42:22 pm »
Once upon a time, I was in the same boat as you. DH wanted to let Tyler CIO, I was a staunch BWer. He thought I was silly and just creating more work for myself. Because I stay home with Tyler, I do most of the sleep training work as it is, so I told him this is how I wanted to do it and his support was critical. I didn't care whether or not he helped with the grunt work of pu/pd or pat/shh, but I did care if he fought me on it or let Tyler CIO when I wasn't around. If you can get just that much "support" from your DH, it really eases a lot of the burden. I didn't mind doing all the grunt work myself when I knew DH was on board with what I was doing. When Tyler got older, I asked him to read Tracy's toddler book, and it helped us get on the same page. I wish I'd done it when Tyler was a baby. If you can even just highlight the key parts of the BW book and convince your DH to read that much, it may help. BTW, I got sick of asking DH to read the toddler book, so one day I just left it in the bathroom and removed all of his other reading material. Worked like a charm!

I've got a spiritied kiddo, and it took some work to get him sleep trained. I couldn't watch for tired cues...he never gave any, he just went from happy to overtired in the blink of an eye. I became a clock watcher instead, and as he got older, I was able to relax more and stop watching the clock. His sleep didn't really iron out until he was around 6 mo...I honestly think it was developmental. It helps a lot of you can darken the room during the day with blackout curtains, posterboard or aluminum foil on the windows, or whatever works. We used to take Tyler up to his room for quiet play about 20 min before naptime. The lights were dimmed and he had no noisy or stimulating toys up there, just things like books and his playgym. When it was naptime, we did the same thing every single time. Lights off, change diaper, swaddle, give paci, turn on lullaby CD, and sit in the rocking chair. When he was getting drowsy and relaxed, he went into the crib. And like Raquelita1, we used the Aussie swaddle with a bedsheet forever.

Even though my DH was a big fat doubter, he started to come around as Tyler got older. He saw the benefits of routine, independent sleep, and not using CIO. Stick to your guns...you can do it!
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Re: DH wants to CIO, I refuse. Feeling alone.
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2006, 20:25:49 pm »
Thankyou tylersmommy.  Everything you wrote about the support and your DH is exactly how I feel.  This weekend we sorted things out but I don't think that is the last I have heard of it.

I have sorted out a wind down similar to yours as well.  She does seem to take to things nicely after a few days.  Today is a great day so I will sing our praises if this continues.  This nap I cut some cardboard for her windows and am hoping it will make things that much better.  I am still concerned about her short A time but I have now caught on to how much wind down time she needs and that has made the crying less.

I LOVE your comment about asking and asking him to read the book and removing all other reading material in the bathroom ;-) 
Sometimes I will read out loud to him in the car and then he can't go anywhere.

I am curious to try the Aussie swaddle or a version of it but think there may be need for change.  She does well with a good tight swaddle but I am wondering if she could suck her hands/sheet would she settle herself at night.  She is currently waking two to three times and has been since before Xmas.



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Re: DH wants to CIO, I refuse. Feeling alone.
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2006, 20:41:42 pm »
The advantage of the Aussie swaddle is that your DD's hands are swaddled up next to her head instead of at her sides. If you use a thin piece of fabric like a bedsheet, she can easily suck her hands through it. It takes some practice to master, but I swear by it! The directions should be at the top of this forum, but they may be temporarily elsewhere due to the site move. If they aren't there, let me know and I'll do my best to explain. :)
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Re: DH wants to CIO, I refuse. Feeling alone.
« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2006, 09:18:44 am »
Hello, you asked me to explain a bit about our swaddling technique.  We use a cot size bedsheet and spread it widthways across the cot where she will be positioned to sleep.  We fold down the top bit to make a flap of about 6-7" deep.  We then lay her down so her neck is over the fold and her head is above the sheet on the mattress.  Then we take her left arm and bend it up so that her hand is near her ear, then fold down the excess sheet to the left of her arm, then wrap the whole lot over her body and tuck under her bottom on her right hand side.  Then simply repeat for her right arm.  She very rarely escapes this - she used to fight and escape the Aussie swaddle because that didn't allow her hands to be where she wanted them, and even the adapted Aussie swaddle that somebody posted where her whole arm was spread inside the fold of the sheet - she could get her arm out of this no matter how tight you thought you had it wrapped up!  This technique we've discovered means she can suck her hands like crazy but can't flail them about at all.  I put her down 10 minutes ago for her morning nap and she was chattering and sucking away, and literally within a minute of my leaving the room there was silence.....  Only by reintroducing the swaddle have we started to have some success with extending naps beyond that dreaded 45 minutes - not every day, but we're persevering.  Hth. xx

P.S.  Where is that announcement about CIO?  I can't for the life of me find it anywhere but i'd like to have a read.
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« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2006, 16:05:10 pm »
Good Morning!  I am looking forward to trying it today for naps.  I will try to perfect your swaddle while she is happier and sleep is less crucial.  Thank you very much.

I had a look myself and could not find the announcement either.  It WAS in with the Health Forum.



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Re: DH wants to CIO, I refuse. Feeling alone.
« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2006, 17:45:57 pm »
I used to practice the swaddle on a big teddy bear...much easier than a squirming baby when you're first learning!
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Re: DH wants to CIO, I refuse. Feeling alone.
« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2006, 19:19:13 pm »
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