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down at 6:30 pm crying at 8:30 pm every night! Why?
« on: February 05, 2006, 03:11:56 am »
Hi there!  My 7 mos. dd has been waking virtually to the minute 2 hours after going to bed for the past 5 nights or so.  Tonight it took one hour and a half to get her to sleep...this has been the worst so far but on previous nights it has been around an hour.  She tosses and turns and tries to self soothe but cannot for the longest time.  For a couple of those nights I was trying to figure out what the problem was.  One night I changed her pj thinking it was too warm (it actually was) another thinking it was teeth (she has two top teeth being real slow about breaking in )  and  some other thing I thought it was    Tonight I just stuck with the patting and soothing words, only picking her up a couple of times b/c she was so worked up.  I was thinking I better ask someone from the boards if you can tell me something about these night wakings?  TIA
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Re: down at 6:30 pm crying at 8:30 pm every night! Why?
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2006, 06:12:18 am »
Hi there

Wakings early in the night are most often associated with overtiredness (but could be a result of not being tired enough at bedtime).

What is you day like?  Do your DD still have a catnap?


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Re: down at 6:30 pm crying at 8:30 pm every night! Why?
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2006, 13:54:02 pm »
Hi FrasersMum
We've definately been dealing with overtiredness---it's a viscious cycle we are trying to get out of .Yesterday went like this:
wake 5:20
bf6:20
solids 7:15
nap 7:40-8:20
bf 10:30
nap 10:54-11:20
nap 2:15-2:50
no catnap (did not fall asleep in stroller)
solids 4:45
bf 5:30
bed 6:10
sleep 6:15
woke 7:15 for 30 min
woke 8:15 for 1 hr. 3/4 min
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Re: down at 6:30 pm crying at 8:30 pm every night! Why?
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2006, 14:01:04 pm »
Hi FrasersMum
We've definately been dealing with overtiredness---it's a viscious cycle we are trying to get out of .Yesterday went like this:
wake 5:20
bf6:20
solids 7:15
nap 7:40-8:20
bf 10:30
nap 10:54-11:20
nap 2:15-2:50
no catnap (did not fall asleep in stroller)
solids 4:45
bf 5:30
bed 6:10
sleep 6:15
woke 7:15 for 30 min
woke 8:15 for 1 hr. 3/4 minI have been giving her only 2 hr. activity time b/c Corrina from getting back on track board suggested it since she was overtired by teething and tweaking mistakes (when her schedule went haywire from the teething I decided to try going to a 3 hour A time from 2 1/2 but did it in one day--got a great nap out of it which made me continue but didn't see another after that)  I have been trying to extend naps with wake to sleep and have tried bf and put down when wakes at 5ish hours and have had no success until today (I figured out you have to go in immediately before she really wakes--before I had been waiting to see if she'd put herself back to sleep b/c she wasn't really crying)
TIA

I don't understand how part of this post was posted before I got a chance to finish---sorry
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Re: down at 6:30 pm crying at 8:30 pm every night! Why?
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2006, 17:22:02 pm »
Okay, FrasersMum, this is what I've been thinking:  wake to sleep.  What do you think.  Her wake time varies by 15 min. or so, so I'm not sure exactly when to do it----and some nights she wakes after only one hour instead of two, sometimes needing intervention and sometimes putting herself back to sleep.  So, I'm wondering if it's possible to do wake to sleep if you're not sure exactly when she will wake?  What if I went in at 8:10  if she typically wakes between 8:15 and 8:30, just to be safe , and gently nudged her or brushed her cheek with my hand, would that screw things up?  Then, am I supposed to leave or am I supposed to put my hand on her belly for 20 min until she goes into the next cycle?
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Re: down at 6:30 pm crying at 8:30 pm every night! Why?
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2006, 08:07:59 am »
Hi lilapple

I'm not sure if WTS will work but I guess it can't hurt to try.  Usually with WTS during night sleep, Tracy recommended stirring 1 hour before the habitual wake up time.  I know with WTS and naps it is done around the time that the sleep transition happens.  So not really sure what to suggest for you there.

I do think that cracking the overtiredness will stop these wake ups for you, rather than WTS.  LO's who have 45min naps usually come out of them around 6-8 months, I know my DS did.  I would suggest that you try hard to get that catnap happening if your LO has had only short naps during the day - remember the catnap is your "freebie" so get it anyway you can, using whatever props you need (holding, rocking, pram or car ride).  It's the first to go so as long as you are not relying on the props for the other naps, they might be just what you need to break the overtired cycle by slipping in a catnap.

Good luck!
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Re: down at 6:30 pm crying at 8:30 pm every night! Why?
« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2006, 11:11:19 am »
Just a thought here...when dd started taking short naps like that and having trouble at night it was a sign she needed go to 2 naps from 3.  'A' time now averages 3.5 hours and often has a really big 2 or 2+ hour sleep at some point during the day.  I know for dd 2 hours of awake time would just result in a catnap....


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Re: down at 6:30 pm crying at 8:30 pm every night! Why?
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2006, 01:07:10 am »
Frasersmum,
Ironically, it seems that moving dd's bedtime later was the answer ---knock on wood.  She now goes to bed at 7:30 and hasn't woken at those times anymore---3 nights in.  I think you're right about the overtiredness---how can she not be---with 30 min naps---not 45. Yes, she does do the catnap---on a few occasions it 's been the only  nap---but rarely.  But if she does not do the catnap, my stomach starts to turn.  I feel so terrible about how her sleep is going---i'm trying so desperately, and I realize, at it makes me feel worse---that she has not had a very stable predictable life so far for all the things I've tried!  And on top of that not enough sleep!  I need a coach to come in and make sure I stick to a routine and plan of action.  I start one and stick with it for a while and then it seems it doesn't work or some teeth arrive on the scene or something of the sort and then it's back to chaos. 
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