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are there hours when wake to sleep won't work?
« on: February 05, 2006, 20:29:30 pm »
My lo has been waking at 8:30 pm crying almost every night ---2 hrs after 6:30 bedtime.   Can I do wake to sleep then or is it only used in the early morning hours like 2 am and 4 am, etc as I have seen posted mostly?
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Re: are there hours when wake to sleep won't work?
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2006, 21:10:50 pm »
Personally, 6:30pm is a really early bedtime and your LO may not be ready for bedtime yet. I would try just letting your lo catnap or keep up until around 8 or 8:30 for bedtime then dreamfeed at 10:30 or 11pm.

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Re: are there hours when wake to sleep won't work?
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2006, 21:38:54 pm »
Hi again!
My ds does the same thing and has been waking at 9.30pm for weeks after a 7 - 7.30pm bedtime. Not sure how to tackle it. Ds is crying when he wakes as well. It's like he's desperate to get back to sleep but just can't. It's so difficult to know - too tired, not tired enough, more sleep, less sleep, more food, less food, developmental, habit.

I did wonder about wake to sleep but he seems to be in quite a light sleep at that point and I'm worried he'll just wake up earlier...

Sorry not to be more help

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Re: are there hours when wake to sleep won't work?
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2006, 15:09:03 pm »
Hi Milliesmaw!
Has Benjamin had a hard time with naps too?  My Gabriela has had 20 and 30 min naps and was also waking at 5:30 ish.  I have been putting her to bed at 6:30 at the advice of a board moderator since she was waking at 6:30 at that time  (then I was putting her to bed at 7)  Now at the advice of another moderator I am also only giving her 2 hrs wake time---the thinking is that she is overtired.  I was thinking the same.  Funny thing is that a couple of nights ago for 2 nights straight she went to sleep exactly at 6:30 and woke at 8:30 ish crying and taking an hour or so of consoling to get back to sleep same as yours!  But last night, though put to bed as usual, she did not fall asleep until 7:30 and then at 9:30 whimpered and then put herself back to sleep  ( back in the times I was putting her to bed at 7 she was whimpering and putting herself back to sleep at 8:30 and 9:30.)  Strange, isn't it?  Makes me think that jsorrow might be right except I think 8:30 is way too late---maybe back to 7 or 7:30?  Now, if I do that, since she stayed up last night till 7:30 no problem, should I just jump to 7:30 for bedtime tonight or do it little by little, and if I should do it little by little, how little and for how long? 
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Re: are there hours when wake to sleep won't work?
« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2006, 16:42:29 pm »
My LO usually takes his last "day" nap at around 4:30 and I let him sleep until 6 or 6:30pm. I keep him up til about 7:15, give a bath then feed at about 7:45 and he winds down after this and is usually asleep by 8:15. I dreamfeed at 10:30 and he usually sleeps until 2:30 or 3am. Goes back to sleep until around 6am. But this morning he slept until 6:30am. Lilapple is probably right about 8:30 being too late because sometimes he has trouble winding down and will wake a couple of times between 8:30 and 9p...but will go back to sleep and stays asleep until his feeding at 2:30am. Keeping him up for 2 hours is really pushing it with him.  So it's really closer to 8pm when he is ready to hit the crib. We have been doing this schedule for about a week now and it has really worked for him and he has been consistently waking and feeding at the same times. He is 5 weeks old.

How old is you LO? Naps are really important in helping with night sleep. Ironic though the better their naps are during the day, the better they sleep at night. I am sure you have heard that.

I don't know if I have helped any...but what I have been doing is working for us.

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Re: are there hours when wake to sleep won't work?
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2006, 16:50:51 pm »
I'm not sure what time your los are waking up in the morning, but I know my little one wakes up around 8am and therefore goes to bed at 10pm.  Seems like a really late bedtime, but that's 10 consecutive hours of sleep with 2 naps of about 2 hours a day... in total 14 hours of sleep.  That's right on track for a lo at 6.5 months.  I kept trying to put him to bed earlier and spent 2 hours trying to get him down and realized if I just kept him up, I wouldn't have to fight him.

I think someone would need to see your complete EASY schedule to truly tackle the problem.  It could be a variety of things that's keeping you lo from settling for the night.  Also, a lot depends on their age as well.  I can try and help.  Please post your EASYs.
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Re: are there hours when wake to sleep won't work?
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2006, 23:06:56 pm »
Hi ladies - it's lovely to get some feedback! Lilapple - you were my hero with your  DD sleeping through the night! Ds now goes to sleep independently for naps and at the start of the night but he still wakes up 3 or 4 times a night. Twice before midnight and twice after. Our naps I have to admit are pretty good but I have been working on these for about 5 months now as DS was a v overtired screaming bub when he was born.

I think in my case it is a resettling issue. I think he used to b overtired when he went to bed and so found it hard to get through the 40 minute slots and would go through light sleep at about 9ish and feel hungry - and I fed him. And I think because I fed him I created a habit. So now, overtired or not he wakes up round about that time as he doesn't know he's meant to do it himself. KWIM.

So perhaps when DD goes through the light sleep bit she really can't get herself back off and has forgotten how??

Daisymelan - funnily enough a friend suggested the same thing. But the 7 to 7 thing suits us. Our dd still sleeps 7 to 7 with a 2 hour nap and she's 2. When I go back to work we have to be up at 7am and although it's fine to have two longer naps now - when he hits a year/18 months at daycare they're really just doing one nap. So he will prob need his 11-12 hours at night. So that's why I strive for the 7pm bedtime. I think really just do whatever suits your situation.

Our schedule seems to be changing at the moment.
Today it was

7am/7.30 - up and bf
8am - solids
9am - 9.45am nap
10.30/10.45am - b/f
11.30am - solids
12.30am - 2.30pm - nap
2.30pm - b/f
5pm - solids
6.30pm - b/f
7pm - bed

Currently waking at 9.30pm - 1am and 5am.

We could really do with a cat nap but it's really difficult to get this as dd comes back from daycare at 5pm and we all have dinner together.

UPDATE -  he woke tonight at 9pm and I've just finished pu/pd with him. He settled at 10.30pm. Quite traumatic but I didn't feed him. I'm hoping if I continue to do this it will wipe out the 9pm wakeup???

Any thoughts would be great!

Jo

 
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Re: are there hours when wake to sleep won't work?
« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2006, 00:52:38 am »
Jo, it looks like our little ones are very close in age.  I am kinda jealous of your routine to be honest.  But I think the night waking may be due to no cat nap.. it's just a guess.  Owen naps for 4 hours a day at least, mind you, he only sleeps 10 hours at night.  So maybe I can't really give you much help.

Big {{{{{hugs}}}} on the pu/pd for 1.5 hrs.  That must have been killer. 

Another suggestion is that you could creep into her room right before he normally wakes when he starts to wake, pat her back, or whatever works for you.  I know patting my ds would probably be too stimulating now that he's older, but something similar may work.  Maybe it's similar to when babies have troubles getting into their next sleep cycle.

Also, you mentioned that dd wakes up twice after midnight... do you feed then?  How do you help her sleep then?

But I know all our night sleep problems were fixed when I kept ds up later.  Hope that's not the solution for you as it seems that u enjoy the 7-7.

Again , good luck and keep us posted.
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Re: are there hours when wake to sleep won't work?
« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2006, 21:05:22 pm »
Thanks Jodie - I think schedules always look better when they are written down! Today kind of went out the window as we were out and about. But I did manage to get him to sleep for 45 mins at 4pm as his other naps were short (45 mins). I have been feeding him (b/f) to settle him in the night. Did use paci but that was just confusing the issue. Hence his difficulty getting to the next sleep cycle. I'm trying to get rid of the early wake ups and will move on to the "middle of the night" ones later... :( If they become v regular then I will try the patting,ssshing etc although as you say now he's older it doesn't work so well! Our lo's are v close in age.

It's 9pm now and I hear him moaning and groaning so here's hoping he gets thru the cycles on his own. I really hate pu/pd but it does seem to work!

Thanks for your suggestions and I'll let you know how it goes ;D



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