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My dd is 6.5mths, started solids at 6 months. Bf only so i cant measure exactly how many calories she is getting but she is a great eater and I have no concerns about her starving.

She currently has 2 solid meals daily of approx 2-4 heaped tsps. bf times has decreased a little as a result. i want to wean her gradually to avoid problems.

1. When should i start the 3rd meal?
2. how many teaspoons should she eat at each meal?
3. at what stage/age do I increase the quantity at each meal and by how much?

I ask this because it seems she would just keep eating if i offered her more. She appears to be digesting everything very well but sometimes i feel i am giving her too much solid food.

Many thanks.

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Re: How much solids is enough and when do I increase food quantity in 6.5m
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2006, 10:25:52 am »
Is there such a thing as too much solid food at this age?  ;D Lucky you, I know some mums can have lots of trouble introducing solids, so you should be glad your dd takes it so well!

My ds had a huge appetite also when I introduced solids (4.5 mths), he is becoming pickier now (6.5mths) that we have some variety and isn't a big fan of anything overly textured, but that's no biggie at this age. Still, he can put away about 4-5 oz of savoury and another 4oz of yoghurt in one sitting. :o And that's after bf an hour previously!

I introduced a 3rd meal after about 4-6 weeks on solids, and I think as long as you bf FIRST, you will always be sure that your lo is getting enough calories and nutrients as the primary source of nutrition is still the breastmilk. I bf and then about an hour later I give solids, I think the lo's tend to self-regulate a little. I believe that my lo was so taken with solids initially that he may have cut down on bf a bit, and was quite in love with the idea of something spooned into his mouth. Now that the novelty has worn off and he's developing a taste for some things over others, he seems to have upped the bf back to higher levels and so isn't so hungry for the solids. Bear in mind also that they can get very efficient at bf by now, my lo can drain a whole breast in under 5 minutes.

As far as the volume for each meal, I think you should feed what the lo wants, within reason. They say a stomach is only as big as the owner's fist, but I reckon my lo has a huge stomach based on the quantities he can put away. I just feed him until he's done. But I generally started early on with 2-3 oz (an ounce is an ice-cube, if you freeze your food) and he would pretty well eat all of that. If you find your lo is eagerly opening her mouth for each mouthful and is still doing that once the bowl is empty, offer more - you will soon get the hang of how much they want to eat. 

HTH :)
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Re: How much solids is enough and when do I increase food quantity in 6.5m
« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2006, 01:34:53 am »
I agree.  As long as lo is getting bf first, keep feeding until food is refused.  As for the third meal, we went to that after about 2 weeks from introduction of solids.  DD was barely taking anything at some 'meals' but I just wanted the routine established.  During growth spurt, dd took up to 15oz of solids per day.  Now that she is finished growing and I'm sure some of the novelty has worn off, she averages about 5-7oz per day.  Something else I noticed was that at first she was ready for 'meal' 1 hour after bf, now she needs about 2 hours after bf or she's not interested in solids but then wants another bf at the 3 hour mark.  I have found that there is no worry about solids quantity if she can go 4 hours between bf's and is not waking more for feeds at night.  We just continue to offer 3 meals per day and she takes what she takes ;)


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Re: How much solids is enough and when do I increase food quantity in 6.5m
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2006, 02:50:35 am »
I have a question for Nicola G. (I hope you don't mind, Magic Belly). I was interested in what you wrote about your lo being on solids and draining a breast in less than 5 minutes. In the past two weeks or so, it seems my son (almost 7 months) has become A LOT less interested in nursing.  Three minutes is a LONG feeding these days. Sometimes he just takes a few sucks and then decides he'd rather look out the window. It drives me nuts because I feel like he's not getting enough milk. By the 3:00pm nurse, he acts like he's starving but doesn't nurse long, then he eats a huge dinner at 4:30, and then he acts like he can't go to bed (6:00) unless he gets a big serving of breast milk, which I have been giving to him in a bottle lately because I don't feel like I can produce enough at that time of day after having fed him at 3 and 4:30. He'll take about eight ounces.

I was getting worried, but when I read your post, I wondered if maybe everything's going okay after all. In the same time frame as I mentioned above, he has significantly increased the amount of solids he takes at each meal. He isn't showing signs of dehydration. He still wakes up once or twice in the night (depending on if I do a dream feed) and gulps down the milk.

Do you think we're still on track, or might I have a problem?
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Re: How much solids is enough and when do I increase food quantity in 6.5m
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2006, 03:10:20 am »
No probs New Mommy, I am interested in responses to your questions. I was planning on dropping the df as two nights ago I slept through the df and my dd slept through to 6am. So last night i decided to omit it and see what happened. She woke at 11pm wide awake so i fed her since i was woken. i  suppose it is ignorant to think our lo's wont wake around the 10-11pm timeslot unless they are trained not to expect the df, would this be everyone elses experience? also i have the issue of my lo too busy to be interested in a long bf so it takes me longer because she is up, down, touching this, wanting that blah, blah... I actually feed her, give her a play then get down on the floor with her in my lap and feed again. This is only possible when time permits as it is a lengthy process but at least she seems to finish her feed.

Another observation, we started swimming lessons and she takes the biggest feed afterwards even though she was only fed 2 hrs earlier. Shows how much energy they burn.

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Re: How much solids is enough and when do I increase food quantity in 6.5m
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2006, 03:40:55 am »
Hi ladies,

Newmommy724, I know what you mean, they can be very distracted at this age. Remember that I did say ds went off the breast a bit, doing exactly what you are describing, before kind of returning to the fold:

I believe that my lo was so taken with solids initially that he may have cut down on bf a bit, and was quite in love with the idea of something spooned into his mouth. Now that the novelty has worn off and he's developing a taste for some things over others, he seems to have upped the bf back to higher levels and so isn't so hungry for the solids.

I have also noticed that it depends on the time of day as to how interested my lo is in the breast, he usually can't be bothered around lunchtime (I've starting switching around solids/bf so that he's now getting solids first) because he's full from lunch. Also, my lo has just started childcare so I am OK with missing the middle of the day feed (yay, I won't need to express anymore!) as long as I know he's getting in calories elsewhere.

The other thing I noticed was that one breast seems to hold more milk and express at a faster rate than the other. So I figure when he's on the other breast and gets fussy, it may be because the flow is too slow for him, or whatever. So usually, if there is fussing and distractedness I will change sides. Usually this does the trick (maybe the letdown is stimulated from his initial sucks on the other side, who knows) and he will nurse for 5 minutes quite happily.

Generally, if he's still fussing, I will take him off the breast and just wait until the next meal. Of course, if he's madly fussing an hour later I would say go ahead and nurse him.

I've read in other threads, and it has been my experience, that this age is a tough one because they are making significant transitions in their nutrition - intake, type, volume, etc. So I think no-one would shoot you down for just feeding when he seems to need it. And I think you should actually offer the breast at the 6pm feed, as your body will adjust to meeting the demand at this time of day, even with the earlier feeds. If you offer the bottle instead, you will make happen what you fear. I am currently still nursing 5x per day, but its 2x in the morning, at 5pm, before bed at 7pm and a df at 10pm. Sometimes (work permitting) I will also nurse at lunchtime if I go and visit him at the childcare centre. I am pretty sure I still have good supply (but it IS early days yet) and I think its true that your body will adjust so you have milk at the right time.

Bear in mind also that its OK to drop feeds (I think my ds will want to drop the noon-ish feed soon on his own anyway) once they start to get good balanced nutrition elsewhere. And just to show that I'm a little paranoid too, I went to the chemist and bought some infant vitamin drops just in case. The pharmacist said they would do no harm if he WAS getting all the necessary vitamins and minerals, but since he was looking like dropping a feed I wanted to make sure he was getting everything he needed.

Hope that answers your question. ;D

Magicbelly,

I haven't started phasing out the df yet, but I know that Tracy says to do it gradually. You need to ensure that you up the calories in the feeds for the rest of the day to compensate. This may be why your lo woke at 11pm the night you didn't do the df. So, lets say she normally nurses for 10 minutes in the df at roughly 11pm. On the first night, you would provide additional calories throughout the day, then at maybe 10.30pm you would let her nurse for 8 minutes. Do that for 2-3 days. Then on day 4, provide a little more calories through the day, then at 10.00pm let her nurse for 6 minutes. So you gradually reduce the time and the duration of the feeds so that eventually the df is actually the bedtime nurse anyway. Just make sure you are compensating for the lost calories elsewhere in your lo's day.

Good luck!
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Re: How much solids is enough and when do I increase food quantity in 6.5m
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2006, 03:45:15 am »
ok well in the past couple of weeks i stopped the df cold turkey.  dd is almost 8 months and hasn't slept through the night ever...(think the closest we got was 4 am) and when i stopped it she started sleeping better, waking more out of habit...a little out of hunger b/c that's when she was getting her calories in that she should have been getting through the day!  over a couple of weeks i slowly cut down the amount of time i nursed her a couple minutes every couple of days and when i got down to two minutes she started sleeping through the night AND eating FULL feedings in the day.  another mistake i made was that she too was a ravenous piggy when it came to solids and do increase that intake slowly as it WILL affect how much milk/calories your lo will take in via bm/formula (if u give too much that is.) and WILL get up in the middle of the night to make up for the lost calories as bm is way higher in calories than solids.  that has been my experience and what has worked for me.  i think at around 6 months a couple ounces should be sufficient for solids (at most).  they are smart these lo's - and WILL wait for new, and exciting solids and turn their noses up at bm/formula so they have more room for this new experience!
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Re: How much solids is enough and when do I increase food quantity in 6.5m
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2006, 03:46:30 am »
oh and also u can't forget that it is a very 'discovering' age and it could be teething affecting the daytime bf's but it may be proactive on your part to maybe look at other alternatives to helping your lo sleep through the night (helping you too!!  ;))
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Re: How much solids is enough and when do I increase food quantity in 6.5m
« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2006, 04:39:31 am »
Oh, yeah. I forgot to mention that ds has never slept through the night although he is down to one or two wakings. (I'm not consistent about the df so he will wake twice on nights when I skip the df.) When he does wake, he is hungry and will nurse very well -- MUCH better than during the day. I know Tracy says to increase day calories, but I don't know how since he is so squirmy and distracted when I try to nurse him. I was hoping that since he was taking more solids it would help with his day calories. I guess I could try to shorten the minutes at night.

DS takes about 10 oz of solids per day. The book from my pediatrician says he should have 4 oz. at each meal so I know I'm not overfeeding him. He's 7 months and is in the 99% for height, 97% or so for weight, so he's as big as the average 9-month-old. So he may actually need more, but I stop feeding him when he seems not to want any more.
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Re: How much solids is enough and when do I increase food quantity in 6.5m
« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2006, 04:49:37 am »
definately stop feeding when he 'loses interest'.  the cutting down on night feedings is going to be hard but very worth it for both of u!!!  trust me, ds will cry when he's 'not finished' his feeding, just try to soothe and console him, offer a paci if u do that, i even offered dd water the first time she woke - she wouldn't take it out of a bottle but did take it from a straw cup and that would tide her over just a little bit longer.  u will notice within a few days that daytime eating is slowly getting better as well.
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Re: How much solids is enough and when do I increase food quantity in 6.5m
« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2006, 04:51:46 am »
i know this link is a little off topic to what the post was originally stating - but it's here if u want it - and it's great info! (about night wakings/feedings)

https://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=46907.0
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Re: How much solids is enough and when do I increase food quantity in 6.5m
« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2006, 09:05:54 am »
New mommy 724,

What sort of solids is your lo up to? I found that once I introduced protein and dairy (so far he's ok with boneless fish, tuna, salmon, kidney beans, lentils, cheddar cheese, ricotta, chicken, liver, beef, yoghurt) he became much better through the night because the solids he was eating were calorie-rich. I still also make sure I feed some sort of carbohydrate (baby rice, oatmeal, potato, pumpkin, etc) at every meal.

Just remember, 10oz of solids will yield different energy to your lo depending on what it is - generally, if he's just on veg and fruit, you will find that these will simply fill his tummy but not sustain him for long stretches like overnight.
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Re: How much solids is enough and when do I increase food quantity in 6.5m
« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2006, 18:37:41 pm »
We're probably behind on where he should be for his size. He's such a big boy, we should have started solids before we did so that we could be on meats by now. I had your same thought about that.

What happened is that, due to an ear infection at 2 months, we're a month off on our well-baby check-ups so I didn't get to talk my dr about how to introdue solids until age 5 months. I called his office at age 3.5 months to get his advice on introducing solids at 4 months, but the nurse said he didn't have a hand-out or anything. Then I went to lo's 5-month check-up, and lo and behold, the dr hands us a hand-out for introducing solids at four months! Ugh! I was so upset with that nurse because if she would have given us the hand-out at 4 months, we be a month ahead of where we are. UGH!!!

Anyway, so we're still on fruits, veggies, and cereal but I have him scheduled to introduce meat next week. I guess I could just skip the next fruit I had planned and go ahead with meat tomorrow. What's the best one to start with?
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Re: How much solids is enough and when do I increase food quantity in 6.5m
« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2006, 23:51:01 pm »
Newmommy724,

There are heaps of threads on what to feed and when, but the way I went was:

- ricotta
- kidney beans
- lentils (he's not a big fan of these)
- chicken (just make sure it is cooked well. I also use the thigh meat as it is fattier than breast)
- cheese
- baby yoghurt
- egg yolk (again cooked well)
- kidney/liver
- white fish
- tuna/salmon

I found that my lo did not show any allergies to the standard things like wheat etc so I went right ahead and introduced new foods over 2 days rather than the 3-7 days which is often recommended. Obviously introduced one at a time, but had no problems so went quite quickly as I had serious issues with lo not gaining weight. I actually started my lo on solids at 4 months, he was probably on meats by about 5-5.5 months, so I didn;t muck around.

Ricotta is a brilliant thing to start with, you can mix it with fruit or veg, in fact my lo LOVES pureed fruit with ricotta - it makes up into a sort of mousse, even better if you put baby custard powder with it.

Focus also on the really high-calorie fruit and veg. I like peas, avocado, bananas for this. They generally yield more "bang for your buck" so if you're worried about calories you can always fill him up on banana & avocado for dessert, etc whilst you are slowly introducing your proteins.
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