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is this normal?
« on: March 16, 2006, 23:44:13 pm »
hi everyone

my 4 1/2 month old lo has recently decided to get the majority of his calories at night - does anyone else have any experience with this?

we have a bit of a potted history with feeding. he drank fine to begin with, although often seemed to have to have discomfort, which we usually put down to wind and/or reflux - remedies for both those complaints seemed to work well for a while, although whatever we tried the effect always seemed to wear off. somtime around 3 months he got restless and fidgety while breastfeeding, and it took me a few weeks to figure out that i wasn't making enough milk to satisfy his needs, and that i was probably misunderstading his hunger cues too. i tried topping him just before bedtime/naptime with 100ml or so, and that seemed to work very well for a while - better sleeping too. but then he started wanting to eat more before bed and less when he got up. i supplemented him with formula, and expressed and fed him that in a bottle so i could keep track of what he was drinking, and we stopped the naptime feeds over the course of one very stressful day. the next day he took 200ml or so every feed, and seemed very satisfied, and generally everything was better for about 5 -6 days - he was less hyperactive, and slept reasonably well, and he was taking around 200ml every feed. i even thought we might finally be able to wean him off his night feed at long last. but then on the 6th day he started only taking 100ml each feed again. i guess he must have regressed, although i didn't realise it at the time. 

it's been the same for the last week - he's drinking very little during the day, but taking full feeds at night. we've tried eating every 4 hours on the dot, but it doesn't seem to make him any more inclined to eat more. we've tried feeding him little, often, and of course he doesn't get very hungry like that either. even worse, over the last couple of days he's started taking even less each day feed - today he drank just 70ml at each feed so far. generally he seems fairly contented, if a little hyper again, and more interested in exploring than eating, but i'm still really worried that he's not getting enough. he doesn't even want to feed in the usual position during the day at the moment i've had to lie him on the floor and feed him that way, because he won't take it lying on me. i don't think it's a physical problem, or anything to do with the formula, because he's still fine at night.

should i cut back the amount he gets at night? i haven't tried this yet, as i am nervous it won't make a difference either and he still won't be getting enough.

i should add, too, that he has just learned to roll over (2days ago) and has been doing that a lot, which is another reason i'm concerned he's getting enough, and that he generally doesn't cry for food at the moment. he's not much of a cryer anyway (which makes it quite hard to figure out what's going on with him at any time), and hasn't even cried that much while teething recently - mostly just a yodelly sort of babbling that seems to happen when he's tired, teething, hungry, overtired etc.

can anyone help?
- Sarah
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Re: is this normal?
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2006, 06:13:34 am »
hi stacy

that's the thing, making him go the full 4 hours between feeds hasn't actually seemed to make him any hungrier so far. we tried one night where he took a full feed at bedtime, again at the dream feed (usually 10), and then 50ml (2oz) when he woke at 3ish - and he was no hungrier at 7am than the nights where he gets a full feed at 3. or rather i should say, he didn't eat any more.

but after posting this, i read another post with a similar problem and they were suggesting perhaps the formula, and it occurred to me that i have been blending his formula with another type (less expensive, easier to find) to make the switch. i had it half and half today and he drank less than usual. plus the only full feed he took during the day yesterday and today was ebm. tomorrow i will go back to his usual formula and see if it makes a difference. if not, i will have another go at what you suggest.

thanks so much for your thoughts - i will let you know how it goes!
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Re: is this normal?
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2006, 21:06:07 pm »
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Re: is this normal?
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2006, 23:04:58 pm »
thanks lauren, i hadn't seen it - it sounds like our lo is similar in that he only eats what he wants and nothing more. but we have tried taking away from his night feeds and it doesn't seem to make a difference. last night he woke more times than usual during the night, i gave him the dummy until 3, when i fed him 150ml rather than 200ml (2oz less). he woke up for breakfast half an hour early, definitely hungry (i could hear his tummy rumbling), and still only ate 70ml. i offered him plain formula (as in my previous post to stacy), breastmilk, the new formula - no go on any of them. the second feed today went a little better - i offered breastmilk again and he ate 140ml, but it was still a hell of a struggle getting it into him.

i don't hold out much hope that taking away from his night feeds will make him hungrier during the day, but if i was going to, should i only subtract from the 3am feed, or the df as well?
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Re: is this normal?
« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2006, 15:22:36 pm »
Hi Sazza, we have a similiar problems here. My LO will never take a full bottle in the morning, but will take full bottles closer to bedtime and in the night. I tried cutting her back to only 4 oz. at night feeds. This worked for a while, but then she started waking more and more because she was hungry. When we went for our 4 month doctor's visit, I asked our doctor about this. He said that he recommended just stretching out the time between bedtime bottle and the night feeding. For example, at the time, our LO was going 6 hours from bedtime bottle to night time bottle. So, when she would wake at the 6 hour mark, I wouldn't feed her right away. I would go in and give her her paci a few times. She would start crying I would pick her up and take my time getting her bottle and try to delay any way I could. We have been doing this for about a week and we are now at a 7 hour stretch. We are still talking full feeds in the night, but it is getting better. The idea is to keep stretching until the night bottle is eventually the morning bottle or very close to it. Wehn the night bottle ends up being close to the morning bottle, I just adjust our feeds for the day. For example, one night, we got in bed late, so she woke for the night bottle at 5 AM. I fed her and she took a full feed. Then I just adjusted to 4 hours from there. So she ate at 5am, 9, 1, 5, 7. This day she took all full feeds. So far, this is working very well for us. We are getting longer stretches at night and day time bottles are getting a little better. But it is a very slow process.

Hope this helps and good luck.  :)
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Re: is this normal?
« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2006, 16:06:57 pm »
Angie
Let us know how it goes...
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Re: is this normal?
« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2006, 17:04:06 pm »
Thanks Lauren, I will. I wanted to add that this morning, my LO only wanted 6 oz. So, I tried waiting 10 minutes and she took another 2-a full 8 oz. feed.  ;D  ;D First 8 oz. morning feed. We'll see if we can keep it up all day.
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Re: is this normal?
« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2006, 17:08:32 pm »
Yeah, I have to give DS a 'break' as well  ::) ::)
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Re: is this normal?
« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2006, 21:23:47 pm »
thanks everyone, these are all really good suggestions. i will try stretching out as angie suggested as i really don't think i could cope with a full-on no-eat night right now. i haven't tried the break recently, as it hasn't worked in the past, but i will keep it in mind (there's always a first time, right?).

amazingly, we too had a full feed for breakfast this morning. i'm not quite sure why - it may have had something to do with us keeping him up late for the end of daylight savings, or more likely that his feeding intervals were different than usual. my mum came over to give me a break and gave him his df at 9.30, then he got another feed 5 hrs later, then another 5 hrs until his breakfast, instead of df at 10, next feed 5hrs later, then breakfast 4 hrs later. i'll see how the rest of the day goes (fingers crossed!) and let you know....

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Re: is this normal?
« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2006, 01:45:34 am »
Angie, how are your feeds going? yesterday we got full feeds at every feed! (i'm soooo relieved) and it's continued this morning too. my mum suggested holding him more firmly so that he couldn't wriggle around so much, and while i don't want to hold him too tight and discourage him from holding his bottle, i tried holding him just a little firmer, and moving him when he started looking around so that he would remember where he was and what he was supposed to be doing.  some of the feeds have been smooth, some quite a mission, but all of them have been good feeds and he was not at all interested in eating at 4am (though he was definitely determined to be awake - but that's a problem for another board.... ;))

fingers crossed we keep going well. hope you're still winning!

Sarah
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Re: is this normal?
« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2006, 04:40:14 am »
Hi Sarah, I am glad your feeds are going well.  ;D Ours have improved a great deal as well. In fact yesterday, she went to bed with a total of 34 oz. This is her normal daily amount (including early morning feeds). I was so happy that we had managed to achieve all of her calories during daytime hours. So,  by theory, if she ate all her calories during the day, she shouldn't be hungry at night right? WRONG She was hungrier last night than any other night. Why?? Who knows.  ;D Instead of her normal 3 am waking we had achieved, she woke at 1:45 we tried to delay, but she was definently hungry. I fed the normal 4 oz. night feed and she wouldn't settle (only does this when truely hungry). I continued feeding her and she ended up taking a full  8 oz. Then, she woke at 5 am cooed for about 10 minutes and went back to sleep. Then, woke at 6:30 and wanted 5 oz. Today, with the two early mornign feeds, she has had 45 oz.!!!!  We are going to wait a few days and see if things will settle back down to what they were.

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Re: is this normal?
« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2006, 08:18:17 am »
Angie, sounds like your LO going through a growth spurt.
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Re: is this normal?
« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2006, 16:24:29 pm »
yes, I agree it's a growth spurt also. She just woke at 4 last night and then again at 8. Much better than the night before. she defenently wants more to eat and like you said Stacy, not ready for solids yet. We tried a little cereal yesterday. She took the spoon, but didn't swallow anything. So, we'll wait about a month and try again. Stacy has your LO just turned 4 months?? I think I remember reading that he is big for his age?? Just out of curiostity, are you starting solids at 6 months still or a little earlier?  :)
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Re: is this normal?
« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2006, 21:54:22 pm »
well ds didn't eat anything last night either, and went all the way through to 7am before breakfast (from a 10.20 df). he ate slightly less than usual this morning but still a reasonable amount so i think we're still going ok.

re the discussion on solids, i don't think there's any harm in trying if they're showing the right signs. ds is not ready either but is definitely showing interest (i tried him on a little at the worst part of him not eating properly but he didn't know what to do with it), but a friend of mine with a bub the same age has started her dd on solids already cos she was very interested, not getting enough calories on bf, reaching for grown-up food etc. 6 months is all well and good but if they're definitely ready before that then i reckon go for it...
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« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2006, 22:06:29 pm »
I am so glad things are going good!!! Hope they keep up!
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