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What is enough sleep?
« on: September 02, 2006, 20:46:59 pm »
My lo has never been much of a sleeper in the day, he gets maybe 4 naps, 30 min each in a typical day, so 2hours all up. At night he used to sleep 12 hours, from 7 to 7. Over the last month he has begun to wake earlier and earlier and is now waking between 5:30 and 6:00 on most days, eager and ready to start the day. My concern is that he is now only getting a combined total of 11-12 hours sleep in a day and is begining to resist his 4:30 catnap so even less sleep. Is this too little sleep for his age? He seems fine and happy on that amount of sleep but I'm worried that he doesn't get enough and that it is a problem.
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Re: What is enough sleep?
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2006, 15:19:47 pm »
In general, yes, that is not enough sleep, and in general 30 minute naps are really overall poor, because it is during the second sleep cycle that the baby gets restorative sleep.  So minimum you want them to go through 2, 45 min cycles each nap period. A mantra around here is "sleep begets sleep" and it is sooooo true.   ;)

My daughter was doing something very similar at 5 months, and was also tied to feeding as well.  My suggestion to you is something that worked for my daughter at 5 months, and I would really recommend it to you because you might see an overall improvement, although it will be challenging for awhile.

I would go the PU/PD route to extend those naps out and consolidate them.  This will not only improve your lo's overall sleep (get that nighttime back up) but you will have your own time freed up as well.  We also were able to get our 12 hrs back at night. 

If you don't have the Tracy book "BW Solves All Your Problems" I would highly recommend getting it, as it details out extensively the PU/PD process, and also about the benefits of extending out naps and how this process will improve overall sleep.

I would also ask about feeds, how many you have and how long they are, because this for my daughter was also tied to why she was not taking long naps?

At this age, ideally you would strive for 2, 2 hr naps, and 1 45 min evening cat nap, and 11-12 hrs overnight...with maybe a dream feed or one night feed still at this age.

Let me know if you have more questions for me, as I've been through this nap extension process.  I can detail out how we accomplished it.  I will tell you that after 3 months of solid consistent work with Tracy's methods, and much support from my husband, we got my girl on track and she not only slept better her mood was MUCH improved....I went from having this horrible overstimulated overtired grumpy crying baby to a sweet sweet angel baby.  I never realized HOW important sleep was for babies until I got us on EASY ;D

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Re: What is enough sleep?
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2006, 11:36:06 am »
Hello, thanks for replying, I was pretty sure that it wasn't enough sleep even though he seemed happy.

No I don't have the BW solves all your problems, I've only got the secrets of the BW, but am planning to buy it on the weekend because I had a feeling that it went into more detail than 'secrets' does.

I have spent months working on extending the naps as he's been catnapping since 7 weeks. I've tried shpat, wake to sleep and pupd and none of them extended his naps. Eventually at four and a half months I started EASAS because it was the only thing I could think of that would get more sleep into his day. This worked quite well to extend the gap between feeds but he wont go down after half an hour and usually wont go down until he's been up for 1.5 - 2 hours.

He is breastfed and has 6 feeds a day (inc dreamfeed at 10). Generally they are every 3.5 hours though he clusters in the evening. One feed is EBM and one is half EBM and half formula. He feeds well, both sides for about 15 mins and from a bottle about 240ml (though he would take more in a breastfeed).

I suppose I didn't do pupd for long (maybe a week compared to a month each with the others) because he wakes up seeming refreshed from his naps and is chirpy and happy and wants to play. I didn't get how to do it when he's like that, but if I pick up the other book like you suggest and do some more reading maybe I'll understand it better and fingers crossed it might work for me too.
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Re: What is enough sleep?
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2006, 12:53:43 pm »
I have similar problem with my DD. She takes 3 1hr naps :(. She wakes up happy after her naps.... ready to play. I always try to put her back to sleep, sh/pat, pu/pd, everything. Sometimes, she is content playing on her own in her cot  :-\
Really don't know what do  :'(

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Re: What is enough sleep?
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2006, 10:47:55 am »
I have had some success. Lo is now having 3-4 1 hour naps in the day. My mother in law is babysitting in day day while I'm at work (I went back this week) and she is having success with shpat. He's going back to sleep when he wakes and is also sometimes extending by himself. I dont know why he's doing it for her and not me - maybe because I smell like milk - or maybe because he is just transitioning, or maybe she's not a soft touch like me. I hope I can have the same success on the weekend! :D
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