9 mo - NW, EW, OT????

[katie80]

He doesn't spit up at all...is it reflux if it kinda comes up and then he swallows it back? He does that often...   

I think this is still reflux, hon.  I'll see if I can't get some more experienced eyes to come check this out for you.  Do you ever frequent the CRC board? You'd surely get some helpful information there. http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?board=13.0

I also think him being off food could mean reflux is bothering him as well. That, or teeth like you mentioned, but that's a long time to be off food if it's teeth.

I know it's a long day, but I really tried to shorten the afternoon and he simply can't go to sleep before 7...he is so wired up during WD and then he's in the crib by 7, but takes him so long to settle.

Do you do bath time as part of your BT routine? This can actually wind up spiriteds more, so you may want to try doing it at a different time of day and see if that helps.  Otherwise, really low key activities before WD.  Will he sit with you to read books or do you have a carrier you can put him in while you clean up from dinner?  I think he's got to be tired enough to go to sleep by 7 if his pm nap is shorter than an hour, but I wouldn't beat yourself up over a 13 hr day if he just won't do shorter. All you can do is try. (((Hugs)))

[ZacsMumme]

Hugs Hun,
I agree with Katie in that's think your LO sounds in discomfort.
If he is teething this will flare the reflux up and most likely cause increased spit ups, swallowing, hiccups and/or acid pain. It will also explain him being off food.

Will your LO drink water? Keeping fluids upwill help keep him hydrated

Your LO isn't on meds right? Is he on anything for the reflux? Probiotics?
I'm not sure if I have missed you mentioning this but does he take a paci?

[Tecike]

Yes, he drinks water and I'm about the start him on probiotics - wouldn't imagine but it's hard to get infant probiorics here, so I have to give him half a dose of adult ones (by drs rec)...
And yes, he takes a paci.

I tried giving him nurofen in case his teeth hurt, and it hasn't made a difference... 

[Tecike]

I forgot this earlier...

No, bath time isn't part of BT anymore. We do it about an hour before so that he has time to run about after. I don't have a carrier, but he's too heavy for my to carry anyway. He likes books, but only if he turns the pages. Unfortunately he won't sit still anywhere - he crawls away, pulls to stand or grabs my hands to walk... The only position when he can't get out of is if I pick him up. Even then he arches back or wriggles like hell if he's not ready for WD...  What activities can be low key for such an energy bomb???

[ZacsMumme]

One thing that helped us was once BT routine started we moved room, so it was bath. Then into his bedroom for change and getting dressed. Bottle, book and kisses/bed. We dimmed his room lights too so he just has a lamp on. total WD including bath 30 mins. Anything longer and too long KWIM...

I agrees with Katie that he could be OT by BT when we brought ours forward 30 mins we had easier settling etc.

I'm so sorry you can't get meds for him to help. Does wind or gas drops help? Massage?

[becj86]

We have a boy of similar energy levels and at that age, books were so exciting it just made BT a disaster, so we did bath, bedroom for getting dressed, BF, cuddles facing away from me & singing, goodnight Daddy, bed.

[Tecike]

Thanks for your WD tips! TBH, he doesn't like long WDs since he was a newborn...  That's why we do bath earlier, so WD is only change, darkening the room, cuddling while listening/singing songs, bed. And sometimes cuddling means holding him back as he would arch back and wants to get free - but I know he's tired, so I tell him no more play and just don't let go of him.  And he has to have a pitch black room , otherwise he'd never settle...

As for routine, summer is coming now and it'll be almost impossible to start the evening before 7. So I decided I'll try to focus on a longer A time in the am and a longer pm nap, so that we still have enough sleep time. And I'm hoping for a later WU in the morning! 

[Tecike]

Oh, my mushy mummy brain.... 

I do tummy massage before bath, but I didn't try gas drops.... Should I?

[katie80]

And I'm hoping for a later WU in the morning! 

Along with STTN! Sounds like you've got a good plan, hon. I'm crossing my fingers that it works.

I don't know much about gas drops, but I think anything might be worth a try to see if it helps him.

[malibu_nikkus]

Have you got one end of the cot raised on a few books. That can help. If you are hearing him regurgitate and swallow without spewing, that's classic silent reflux. They get a double burn which is far more painful than projectile reflux. Watch your diet too. Spicy, acidic foods and chocolate can worsen the reflux.

[Tecike]

Yes, the cot is raised...
Ooops, I didn't know about chocolate - I've been avoiding spicy and acidic, but not chocolate... I'm a chocolate addict, it's going to be hard, but worth a try!

Routine-wise I managed to set up a 8 pm-7am  day, which is great. Nights are not better, but at least days are. And we're still waiting for those first teeth to cut through.... 

[katie80]

I'm a chocolate addict, it's going to be hard, but worth a try!

Anything is worth a try to get more sleep, right?

Glad to hear the days are working out well for you, Tecike. Hopefully, the nights will eventually work themselves out as well. (((Hugs))), hon.