More eyes on DD's EASY pls. 9mo, EW, in 2-1 transition

[Scottishmummy]

That's interesting GAam, thanks. DD definitely isn't ready for that yet. She is very ready for a morning nap.

DS is in nursery today so I pushed the morning nap to 10am. I planned to get DD up after 20 mins then do a 13.30 nap as normal but she was so upset when I woke her that I ended up putting her down again & she went straight back to sleep.

So today has looked like this so far:

WU: 5.40
Nap 1: 10-11.30 (although broken)
I planned for a CN at 15.30 but DD fell asleep in the car on the way home from doing so errands (A=3hrs)
Nap 2: 14.25-15.05
BT-? Try to get to 7pm

Will update later, I think she must be catching up on some sleep.

Not sure what to do if she wants a long mid morning & a mid-afternoon nap too. It's just not possible on the days I have DS as he needs to get out the house by 10 at the latest & again by around 3/3,30 in the afternoon. I might have to try a morning buggy nap and see how it goes.

[Scottishmummy]

We did 7pm BT, asleep by 7.10

She woke at 5.15am calling "mama" but not screaming. I fed her and she went straight back to sleep.  It's 6.55 and she's still asleep    And DS came into our room at 6.30 and announced he wanted daddy to get up with him so I'm still in bed too   

So later morning nap was what she needed.

Not sure what to do for first nap today though ... 10am or 4hr A time which will now be more like 11 or later? And it's likely to be out the house as I can't keep DS in all morning. Will have to see what happens & try for mid-morning naps over the weekend.

ETA: She woke at 7.45. I went for a 4hr A time but it was 4hr15 again before she slept. We were out so she fell asleep in the sling but transferred to cot without waking. So today went like this:

Wu: 7.45
A: 4hr15
Nap 1: 12.00-14.00
Tried for late afternoon CN but DD was wide awake
A: 4hr30
BT: 18.30

Looks like she needs a 4hr15 first A time. Only got 1 nap because of late Wu. If she wakes any earlier tomorrow I think we'll need a short CN late afternoon to get to BT.  I can't believe we've had our first 1 nap day at 9mo! DS was almost 1yo before that happened.

[grace annes mommy]

How are things going for you guys now, SM?  Sorry I've been MIA! We just got back from a trip.

[Scottishmummy]

V mixed tbh, thank you for asking.

She definitely needs 4-4hr15 first A time & that's all I know for sure!

Giving a long nap then and a CN later gave us later morning wake ups (between 7-8am) but worse nights- lots more sad NWs...but she was teething too which might have also contributed.

I decided to try to stick with it though.. But the last couple of days she's only had a 40min am nap, yesterday because we were out with DS & she had to sleep in sling & woke on transfer to cot and today because we had an appointment we had to go out for.  She's had a longer afternoon nap & that has given us a better night but bedtime resistance & EW. I'd try a shorter am nap & earlier pm nap but if she doesn't wake until 7 or later, it seems daft to only do a CN around 11-12am.

Not sure what to do really...Both options are disrupting her (& our) night sleep but I wonder whether I need to go back to long am, do everything I can to stick with it and see if she gets used to it & nights improve now teeth seem to have settled again.
 

ETA: definitely at that point in 2-1 where BT gets later and later on 2 naps... it used to be 6.30-7; then moved to 7.30, this last week it's been 8-8.30 pm...I really want my evening back!

What routine is J on now?

[grace annes mommy]

I think we're just at that really messy part of the 2-1 transition.  Where they're not ready for 1 nap, but 2 naps gives long days or EWs or NWs.  It's a messy couple months..  Then toss in teeth or a cold, etc.  Blech!

We've been out of town and are playing catch up on sleep now.  But, we are more or less holding fast on the same routine as a couple weeks ago, believe it or not:

7am WU
Nap 1 - 11 til 12:30/1
Nap 2 - 4ish - I wake her by 5pm
BT - asleep between 8 and 8:30

Our nights have actually squeeked out to closer to 11hrs.  I'd definitely prefer her in bed earlier, but I don't think that's actually feesible until she finally drops to 1 nap..

I remember this phase being very hairy with DD1 and unfortunately, I think you just have to choose the less of 2 evils to get you eventually to 1 nap, yk? 

[Scottishmummy]

That routine looks very similar to ours did last week on a good day but ours has a shorter 2nd nap as DD seems to manage quite long A times after the 2nd nap.

Can I ask how you fit in milk and meals?
Also how do you fit in activities out of the house for your DD1? That's the part I'm finding hardest with the long am.

DD didn't sleep until 8.30pm last night and woke at 6 this morning so only a 9.5hr night 
Today went like this:
Wu:6am
A= 4hr10
Nap 1: 10.10-11.25 (1hr15)
A=3hrs
Nap 2: 14.25-15.05 (40mins)
BT 7pm asleep 7.10

I thought she was ok on this but was OT by bedtime and crying a lot, needing a lot of WI/WO to settle her then woke crying after 30min (typical OT) but resettled herself. DS is in nursery tomorrow so I'm hoping to catch her up on some sleep then.

[becj86]

It might be worth cutting the CN down to 30min and see if that makes a difference. A 13hr day isn't so unreasonable but off a 9.5hr night, I can see why she was OT at the end of the day Its hard to juggle all this sometimes, isn't it.

[Scottishmummy]

Thanks Bec.  Better day today..

NWs: 12 (had lost comforter); 4.30am (feed); 5.15 (sh-pat to resettle in 15mins)

Wu: 7.30 am
A: 4hr15
Nap 1: 11.45-13.30 (1hr45)
A: 2hrs (I was expecting/aiming for 3hrs but she fell asleep in car)
Nap 2: 15.30-16.00 (30mins)
A:3hr30
BT & asleep easily: 19.30

Will see what night and Wu we get tomorrow.

[grace annes mommy]

Can I ask how you fit in milk and meals?
Also how do you fit in activities out of the house for your DD1? That's the part I'm finding hardest with the long am.

Does your DS still nap?  That would make the long a.m. nap really tricky to maintain.  I did not actually plan to hang on to the long am, short pm nap for the summer, but it actually ended up working well with DD1's swim lessons at 2:15, so for the most part it's the routine we've ended up with.
Here's a typical day:
WU and milk 7am
Breakfast 8ish w/ DD1
out to take the dog down to the river or for some quick errands, chores around the house, etc.  I might offer a 10ish snack especially if I feel like she didn't eat much breakfast.
Nap #1 - 11am to 12:30/12:45
1 on 1 time and lunch with DD1.  Get ready for the pool usually.
Milk when awake from nap. 
Out and about usually to pool these days.  I bring an applesauce or something to offer around 2pm
Nap #2 - 4pmish catnap either out in the ergo or at home.
Offer smaller milk feed around 5pm
Dinner
7:30/8pm - I settle DD1 to bed while J potters around her room and I read books.
8pmish - Then, I feed and put J to bed.

Sometimes I'll reverse the naps if we've made morning plans with friends and do a catnap out and about.  But surprisingly this schedule has held up pretty well fro us.  Hope this helps!

[Scottishmummy]

That's really helpful GAM, thank you. DS doesn't nap now but does need quiet time after lunch.  He also needs to leave the house by before 9.30 in the morning and 3 in the afternoon or he starts climbing the walls...literally!

 Today was pretty similar to your routine for us ...

Wu 6.30
E: 7am milk; 8am breakfast
     Another BF at 10
A: 4hr30- left house at 9 & took both kids to the park for an hour or so
S: 11-13.00
E:lunch 13.00
   BF at 15.00
A: 3hrs went out to play-cafe
S: CN in sling on way home 20mins 16.00-16.20
E: tea at 5pm BF at 6.30
A: over 3hrs30
S: BT 7.30. but took long time (for her) to settle - 20mins- so asleep 7.50- although SS without me needing to WI/WO

I think CN was too long after a 2hr am nap. I know she needs about a 30min CN if she's slept 1.5hrs but maybe she only needs 10-15min if she's done a 2hr nap.  I don't want to push through to BT from 1pm without a CN.

[grace annes mommy]

Yes, I've also been doing some thinking about how the long nap length affects the catnap length.  J's been unsettled around 4am but that could also be teeth. Today I had to wake her from a 2.5 hr+ nap bc we were going out and then she refused a catnap of course.  So 1 nap day here.  I wonder if soon we will teeter totter between 1 nap and 2 nap days depending on how long her a.m nap is.

[Scottishmummy]

Just updating... I thought we'd made the transition to 1 nap earlier this week as DD pushed her A time to 5hrs. We've had

Wu: 6.30
A 5hrs
Nap: 11.30-14.15
BT: 19.30

Wu: 7
Nap: 12-2.15
BT- tried for 7.15/7,30 but DD wouldn't settle until 8pm
We were at my parents' house & she was in a different place which I think disrupted her and they had no blackout blinds/curtains so next day

Wu: 5am
Nap 10-11.30
Nap 3.30-4
BT: 7pm, crying lots, sleep 7.30

Bad night long NW 12.30-2.30am

Today
Wu:5.30
Nap 9.30-10 (capped)
Nap:1pm - (still asleep)
ETA: she slept until 15.20
BT: 19.00 (I expected 19.30 but she fell asleep as soon as she's had her last feed)

Not sure whether unsettled BT, EWs and NWs are from going to 1 nap too soon or from disruption from staying at my parents. Hoping she'll catch up on sleep today and do a better night tonight.

[grace annes mommy]

Not sure whether unsettled BT, EWs and NWs are from going to 1 nap too soon or from disruption from staying at my parents. Hoping she'll catch up on sleep today and do a better night tonight.

Hard to know for sure.  Could be a combination of both.  Hope you both have a better night!
Keep updating as we're going thru some A time shifting too which got interrupted by illness...  Now I haven't a clue!