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Re: How to handle increasing A times.
« Reply #15 on: May 06, 2008, 10:24:58 am »
I guess Sherry, if you can't get him down for the catnap at the time, try again in 30mins (as long as if he has the catnap it wont' muck up a normal bedtime).  If not, then early bedtime works.  This is what I did when L went to 2naps and she had 2x45min naps.  She was on early bedtime for a while (I'm talking 5.30 here!!!) but slept well, and was happy. I just let it go at that point, but she was around 9months then.
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Re: How to handle increasing A times.
« Reply #16 on: May 06, 2008, 17:59:30 pm »
we did the same thing with Abby and the catnap issue - try again later, if not, then early to bed.

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Re: How to handle increasing A times.
« Reply #17 on: May 06, 2008, 21:05:00 pm »
just marking my spot for you sherry - i will wait for your latest update and then check in when the girls (Liv) nap later and will just answer your last PM questions here too OK?  glad the site is back up so we can hear from you.
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Re: How to handle increasing A times.
« Reply #18 on: May 06, 2008, 22:40:34 pm »
Hey Deb,
I'm surprised that they didn't move this link too. Well I think Lyle is increasing his A time on his own again. I put him down at 1h20m this morning and he wasn't ready. But I was scared because the last two mornings we had EW and he got OT so took a 35 min first nap - with no extension. So I put him down anyways because I was afraid he was fooling me. He likes to do that. He finally went to sleep but I had to help him through the 45 min mark but he slept 1h25m, which I was so happy for because we had to go to the doctors today. So I knew naps for the rest of the day were going to be a mess.

Lyle is sick. I don't know if it is allergies/cold/teething or a combo of these. The doctor didn't really seem to know either, but he gave Lyle is 6 month shots anyways. DH couldn't get Lyle down for the catnap either so we had an early bedtime, well actually DH is still putting him down because Lyle was screaming because he is OT.

So things are pretty much the same, but the last two days have been better because DH has been home. Also I have been able to sneak in an extra nap here and there for Lyle so that he isn't getting too OT. We are still having some NW issues. But DH and I are taking turns at night, so that is also helping. When I can get some sleep my perspective is a lot better.
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Re: How to handle increasing A times.
« Reply #19 on: May 06, 2008, 22:57:16 pm »

Also, is there a reason you're not going to try to extend his nap if it's only 30 min?  I'm not sure how that will help move towards a 4 hr EASY.


I was just looking through the old posts and realized I didn't answer this. No, what I meant was I was going to keep him in bed and try to extend the nap, even if it took a long time. But I haven't been doing that either. I've just been trying for 20 min and then if that doesn't work I take him out, and try again later. But I'm still having trouble on that timing too. I don't seem to know the right time to put him back down. But I have had a few successes, so that's something.
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Re: How to handle increasing A times.
« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2008, 23:36:57 pm »
Just came offer support as well will follow on.

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Re: How to handle increasing A times.
« Reply #21 on: May 07, 2008, 00:07:47 am »
Thanks Natasha :)  I can always use more support. Luckily today is a good day. Well, for Lyle being sick it is.  :) Hopefully he will feel better soon.
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Re: How to handle increasing A times.
« Reply #22 on: May 07, 2008, 00:19:18 am »
sherry - thanks for clarifying about the nap extension - that makes much more sense!!  When I was doing nap extensions, I'd only try for 20 min as well - too exhausting for both me and dd!  I'm so glad to hear you've been able to get some sleep and that dh is being so helpful - that makes a world of difference! 

poor Lyle - feeling poorly and having shots is no fun for anyone!  I'm sure that will make things a bit rough in the meantime....hang in there!!!
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Re: How to handle increasing A times.
« Reply #23 on: May 07, 2008, 12:47:52 pm »
Hey Sherry, just following along to see how things are going with Lyle.  Still thinking of you guys daily and hoping things get better soon.

Things with Sophie are fine, except that she is consistently waking between 5:30 - 6am now.  Don't know what I'm doing wrong.  80% of the time, I can get her back to sleep, but sometimes not and then we have a messed up early day, like today.  Oh well, in two more weeks, it'll be DH's problem after I go back to work.

Hope you have a good day.
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Re: How to handle increasing A times.
« Reply #24 on: May 07, 2008, 13:08:55 pm »
Truette,
That is what has really been happening here too. DH seems to be able to get him back down, but not me :(  And I don't think it's a hunger issue because he didn't seem to eat that much today when he woke.

The thing is, I have NO idea when to put him back down. I always mess it up :(

What do you try to do. Because I waited and tried to put him back down we are really messed up. The next feeding wasn't even for 1h40m. So should I try for another nap first? But this also hardly every works.

I have the pit of anxiety
in my tummy again today. I hate that. I just need a good run of days for a little while. And I don't want things to be so messed up when my mom comes :(

It's not a problem of too low A time either. Lyle had long A times yesterday, but he missed the catnap. :(   
We had several NW (probably also due to not feeling well) and then of course the early waking.   :(
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Re: How to handle increasing A times.
« Reply #25 on: May 07, 2008, 13:22:11 pm »
I forgot to mention, that on EW days that I can't get him back to sleep - I ALWAYS mess up the first nap. I put him down too late. And he takes a 35 min nap and I can't get him back to sleep. So our day is really really really messed up. These days are the worst.
I don't seem to know how to recover, and then it's just a matter of survival as best I can.

To make matters worse, I think Lyle is developing a bedroom phobia because I've been trying to put him down too much :(  He has started crying every time we go into his room. I never let him cry it out, so I know it's not that. I think he's just spending too much time in there.

Since I didn't know What to do I decided to try to put lyle back dowN, IT HAT BEEN ABOUT ALMOsT 40 MIN AND HE Started crying wHEN We wENT IN, HE HAD ywANED AND wHEN i PUT HIM IN THE CRIB HE Was RUBBING HIS eyes :(  BUT HE Was JUS tcrying and crying sO i TOOK HIM BACK OUT

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Re: How to handle increasing A times.
« Reply #26 on: May 07, 2008, 13:44:15 pm »
Sherry, first HUGS to you.  It's so hard to figure this all out. 

With the EW, I usually just go in and put my hand on her and tell her "sleepy time" if she gets agitated.  I do this usually after hearing her for about 15-30 mins because I always pray that she'll go back to sleep on her own.  It hasn't happened lately!  Out of the past week, it's worked 5 out of 7 times.  It's even worked for a nap extension yesterday morning.  I never feed her when she wakes early.  I just don't want to start that again.  I know she's not that hungry because the first feed is usually really slow and I have to coax her to eat a decent feed.  A night feed at 5am will just mess that up first day feed even more.  I think it's just that she's in an early waking phase.  If Lyle's in an EW phase too, you may just have to live with it until he gets over it if he just won't go back to sleep in the morning.  I looked at the EW FAQ board and I've done every single thing in there and she still wakes at 5:45am.  I know she's not OT because she's had good long naps and the catnap in the day.  I've even put her to bed as late as 7:45pm and still the 5:45am wake-up.  So, I figure might as well let her have more sleep by having an early bedtime.

My rule about the morning nap is that it's minimum of 2hrs from when I first hear her wake.  Even if I tried for 30 mins and she didn't go back to sleep, I still start the clock from when she first woke, not from when I take her out of the room and started her day.  She's often quite tired by 2hrs (but not frantically overtired), but I do this because I hope it prevents her from using the morning nap as an extension of night sleep and she will eventually finish her night sleep on her own.  This probably won't work for Lyle since he's not accustomed to 2hrs A time in the morning yet, but go with whatever A time has worked for you before, even if it's not the "average" A time for his age.

If she won't go back to sleep, the day gets all messed up.  It won't be EAS.  More like AEASAE.  It drives me crazy because at some point eating and sleep time collide and I have to feed sooner than 4hrs or else her solids get moved up really early too.  So, to answer your question, if he shows signs of tiredness after a short AM nap and it's not yet eating time, I would try for another nap first.  I haven't always been such a stickler on feed times.  I try to keep it within 30mins one way or another of 4hrs, but to me if he can sleep past his feed time he's not that hungry yet anyway.  He needs the sleep right now to get out of the OT cycle. 

About the pit of anxiety, I know it's hard when you feel like you just can't control things to improve the situation.  I have learned the hard lesson of just trying to let go.  She used to cry so much when I'd try to extend naps because I was so anxious about it.  Sophie often responds better to DH because he's much less anxious than me and she senses it.  A few times, her best nap days where when I was out and he put her down.  It's so funny because I think I'm the "expert" on A times and yet when she's with him, she has longer A times and longer naps with no problems. 

Sophie will sometimes cry and fuss too if I take her into her room.  What is Lyle usually doing before this happens?  If we've been playing with Sophie right before nap time or if she's not yet tired enough (despite giving the sleepy signals) she often doesn't want to be put down.  Have you tried doing really relaxing and low-key leading up to going into his room?  Sometimes I lie down with her on our bed and just rub her tummy or calm her.
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Re: How to handle increasing A times.
« Reply #27 on: May 07, 2008, 21:51:36 pm »
Sherry - truette has said a lot of what i woudl have said and have done before.  relax about things so he does not feel your anxiety (and you will feel better), do AEASAE if necessary, stick to the E times to within a half hour either side etc.

with the crying when he is approaching his bedroom - it may not be a phobia thing.  Liv did that A LOT, same as fighting the swaddle, i think with spirited kids they fight what they KNOW is coming but really need.  Liv used to cry as we went down the hallway to her bedroom and i think it was like the last hurrah of letting off steam to prepare for sleep.  just like how they can let off steam in bed before falling asleep this was an extension of that for her.

i think you still need to shift your view of the situation and language you use etc (sorry if it is too "new agey" for you) as when i read your posts and see things like "i ALWAYS mess up the first nap" etc i woudl suggest you start using positive and realilstic language and also take the blame off of you - you are still feeling totally responsible for whether or not Lyle naps well and blaming yourself for messing up a whole day based on a nap...  Use positive talk to yourself and to lyle, speak happily and ppositively to him about naps and bedtime, tell yourself that whatever happens will be ok and then roll with it the rest of the day if need be. But if you react to a short first nap with stress and anxiety over the rest of the day i can assure you he feels your pressure and stress. Instead - tell yourself and him - "ok you had a little nap, i hope you feel refreshed enough to have some nice time with mommy now.  we will have another chance for a big nap later" etc - you have to truly believe he will be ok whether he naps or not and then you can truly relax and i swear the more relaxed you get the better his naps were.

on a bad note - in addition to alex having and ear infection and liv having terrible cough and cold, I finally succombed and am sick!! will check in buit forgive me if i speak unclearly or am late... will be back at liv's naptime as i have to get alex ready for school.

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Re: How to handle increasing A times.
« Reply #28 on: May 07, 2008, 23:15:45 pm »
I think you have gotten some great advise already.
I would totally agree with sticking to feeding at 4hrly intervals even if he wakes early in the morning or early from a nap. This will help encourage him to eventually sleep longer.

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Re: How to handle increasing A times.
« Reply #29 on: May 08, 2008, 01:10:57 am »
Deb,
I'm so sorry to hear you are sick.

Okay guys, no more excuses (even if lyle is teething)
I'm making the 4 hour plunge tomorrow. I've come to my wits end with everything else, so I don't know what else to do. I figure, he's already taking a 35 min nap in the morning so how much worse can it get. I truly still believe that the EW is what is  really messing things up. When I can get him back to sleep at that time and we start a little fresher our first nap is fine.

The hardest thing right now is we can't seem to recover from a bad nap. His naps today were 42 (with an extension, woke at 30) then another 30min, 30min and 1h10m. I had to pat him the entire last nap from 20 minutes on. As I said up there I reread that section of baby whisperer solves all your problems about going to a 4 hour. It's in the pu/pd section. There is a case study there. She says to put them down at 1h40m to make it to 2 hours. But you said before that I should put Lyle down at 2 hours, and because he is now 6 months, I am guessing this is really the appropriate thing to do.

I know I am looking at a really really hard two weeks. I just pray it will get better. My mom will be here to help.

In the book Tracy says to keep them in the bed the whole nap hour. So I'm guessing it is appropriate - at this time - for me to stay in there to keep him calm, holding down his arms - etc. trying to get him back to sleep?

Now even if he takes a bad first nap (and I keep him in bed) then I do 2 hours of awake time again, right, just really low key time?
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