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Re: Can someone plse help me drop the catnap
« Reply #90 on: August 27, 2009, 00:46:15 am »
i dont know, all i know is that i started this thread to help drop the CN and a whole other bunch of issues have cropped up instead! hes happy as larry right
now, but as soon as i take him to his room he just starts crying. What am i supposed to do if he wont sleep on his tummy or his back?





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Re: Can someone plse help me drop the catnap
« Reply #91 on: August 27, 2009, 01:55:25 am »
well i fed him half an hour earlier than his usual time and he was so exhausted he fell asleep, i tried to wind him hoping it would wake him up but he was out to it, so i put him to bed, 4 hours and 20 mins after he had woken up and hes been asleep now for nearly an hour (on his back!)





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Re: Can someone plse help me drop the catnap
« Reply #92 on: August 27, 2009, 06:10:52 am »
He slept for an hour and a half to the minute, next nap time he does the whole screaming process again, so hes missed this nap so he will be going to bed early tonight, having only slept for an hour and a half for the whole day,

I feel like ripping my hair out. He was a grumpy annoying whinging baby all day today (probably from being so tired even after his nap)

Sometimes i feel like giving up, walking out and saying "i quit!"





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Re: Can someone plse help me drop the catnap
« Reply #93 on: August 27, 2009, 07:20:59 am »
Wow lots of replies last night while I was in bed!   

First, the red cheeks issue -- Pepti Junior is a hydrolysate formula...as in, the milk protein is broken down so that milk allergic/intolerant babies can have it. So, the doctor who prescribed it at least suspected that Caleb was milk allergic or intolerant (minor difference between allergy and intolerance, is like splitting hairs and doesn't really make a difference at this point which it is...)  I know from another thread of yours that he had mashed potatoes with milk, butter and cheese in them the other day - and so I suspect that the red cheeks are a reaction to the dairy from that.  It could just have taken a couple of days to work through his system, and the red cheeks are either a skin reaction or a really bad tummy ache that is showing itself in red cheeks (have no idea WHY tummy aches show up as red cheeks, but they do!)

It could also be some of the sleep issues you are having - the screaming, the not going down, the waking, and so on. If his tummy is upset then it can create havoc on sleep. My DS didn't sleep more than 30 mintues in the day and a 2 hour stretch at once at night from BIRTH to 4 months when we finally got him off of milk!  So, when you say that since you started dropping the CN, lots of other issues have come into play, I would look at some of them as coincidence or isolated - not related to dropping the CN but just happened at that time and the two (or three) things interfered with each other and made things appear worse, iygwim.

I found that at that age, the screaming before bed (or nap) was a "not want to sleep" cry.  Used to drive me bonkers that I could do wind down, which he KNEW meant sleep, swaddle him, carry him up to his room and he'd be fine with it. But the second we neared his cot, it was bloody murder!  I used to think "you KNOW this is what's coming, why not tell me BEFORE now!"  Sigh. 

One thing that I found helped me (and still does) when we get into these binds is tossing A time and EASY out the window.  Keep feeds at the same time every day, but let him sleep when he will sleep and not sleep when he doesn't want to. Being out as much as possible during the day helped me with that (as in, letting him fall asleep in the car or pram when and for as long as he wanted to).  For two or three days.  Keep bed and wake consistent even if it means setting your alarm clock for 545am (groan).

Then, plot everything out in a nice chart so I can see how it looked.  If he slept at the same time every day, it could be a natural biorhythm.  If he slept short naps after 3 hours A time, then it could be I need to move to 3h15m...and so on.  But I'm a "charty" person and I was convinced that I could use logic and reasoning with a 6 month old baby LOL!   Although, I have to say, by 10/11 months it had paid off....I was able to see things stand out and play with them teensy bits every few days to get things where I wanted them.

It could be that you may need to start doing things a bit more by the clock, too....by 8 months I started going a bit more on "set" naps rather than A time.  So, nap is at 930 every day no matter what.  (Give or take 10 minutes, can't force a baby to sleep or keep a tired baby awake), but it helped him know what was going on. If he slept until 7am, well, nap was still at 930, and he would be tired by then anyway, his internal clock told him to be.  If he woke at 6am, well, tough beans Mr, nap is at 930!  Although, I would probably have moved it to 9am in that case, but still keep it a bit more by the book. It helped to get a morning nap set and consistent and then I have just either shortened or lengthened it and adjusted the pm nap as needed.  It means that at 13 months now, DS still has his morning nap at 930 and we have just cut it over the months down bit by bit as the pm nap went wonky, and moved the pm nap earlier.  It was a long process (as everything is!) to get here, and to get onto "set" naps, but it helped both he and I know what was coming at certain times of the day. Something to possibly think about...

But, until his cheeks clear up I would be tempted to be a bit less worried about what's going on with sleep (as in A times) and let his tummy settle.

HTH????

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Re: Can someone plse help me drop the catnap
« Reply #94 on: August 27, 2009, 07:55:19 am »
Yeah, i was thinking today that his tummy would be upsetting his sleep, its just so hard to tell, its such a guessing game sometimes. He had about 70mls at his 3rd bottle and im not gonna give him dinner (I didnt last night, maybe thats why he slept so good cos nothing was in his tummy upsetting it) Im just gonna let him have a big bottle and bed for the night. he is SO tired, his eyes are red but hes chirpy, another half an hour and he will be in bed.

Since Hes hardly been eating solids his cheeks have cleared up heaps, they still look spidery and are a little red with a slight rash around his mouth but nothing like in the photo! I phoned my nurse and she said just go back to basics with him and show him food can be ok again and to just be really careful, not to let him have ANY dairy at all. I made some more mashed spud the other day but i used formula to mash it instead of milk :)

Im not pushing him to eat, just letting him know that its there if he wants it. I nearly took him to the dr with all this screaming, we havent had to deal with a screaming baby since the early reflux days so we were unprepared and even DH said he felt so unsure as to what to do whereas when he was younger because we had gotten used to it we knew. I couldnt even APOP today, he was so upset that i tried rocking him in the chair, swaying with him etc and it made no difference.

Ok lets hope tonight goes as well as last night and I think I might try and have a set time like you said Mashi, tomorrow i will let him show me when he is tired, let him sleep for as long as he wants (which doesnt go over an hour and 40mins) and see what his natural biorythm is and work from there. Maybe hes had a huge jump and can now go over 3 hours A time, lets see!





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Re: Can someone plse help me drop the catnap
« Reply #95 on: August 27, 2009, 23:33:31 pm »
he woke up once at 3.20am and i had to calm him down in his cot, that took about 20 mins but other than that, i have no idea what time he woke up as he was making noises from 6.30am onwards and i drifted in and out of sleep. Got him up at 7am when he started crying.

Ive just put him down for his first nap and hes doing the same thing as yesterday, just crying. His face is all cleared up and he ate all of his breakfast so i think  his tummy issues seemed to have calmed down.... so now what could it be? *sigh* what a battle





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Re: Can someone plse help me drop the catnap
« Reply #96 on: August 28, 2009, 00:00:36 am »
yep 30 mins later and hes still crying, i got him up thinking well maybe he is not tired, but he had been grizzling and pulling his ear so i thought he must be tired. Hes been pulling his ear alot but he has no fever or any other symptoms of ear infection. So i gave him some panadol and read him four stories whilst waiting for that to work, he kept pulling his ear and as soon as I got him ready for bed again (15mins later) he just started crying again, as soon as i turn of the light or start any motion towards bedtime he just starts up. Ive got him up now and he looks shattered, hes sitting on the floor in a daze but he wont go to sleep!

Perhaps i should take him to the dr in case he does have an ear infection?? There just has to be something else wrong with him, hes never like this. Yep hes pulling on his ear again right now, is it possible to have the earache without the temperature or not?





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Re: Can someone plse help me drop the catnap
« Reply #97 on: August 28, 2009, 00:21:43 am »
right he started rubbing his eyes at 3 hours 10mins A time so i took him back into his room and he just started crying again. So i gave him a dummy, what do you know? lights out! hes out to it.

Good grief, i still dont have any real idea whats going on with him.





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Re: Can someone plse help me drop the catnap
« Reply #98 on: August 28, 2009, 02:03:16 am »
If he keeps on with the ear pulling I might have it checked out. It's better to know than not know, right? I do think an oncoming infection might present with the ear pain first and a fever at a later date, but I am not sure. DD hasn't had any ear infections yet.







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Re: Can someone plse help me drop the catnap
« Reply #99 on: August 28, 2009, 02:12:56 am »
Ok if hes still ear pulling tomorrow i will take him, he is rather grizzly too, has been for the past two days, well he slept an hour and a half so thats a good sign, just not so good about needing a dummy to put him to sleep. we should only need two naps today seeing as he went to sleep so late and slept good. I did go in after 20 mins and take the dummy out, i didnt want it to interfere with his sleep. Lets just hope this isnt the beginning of him needing it to go to sleep!





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Re: Can someone plse help me drop the catnap
« Reply #100 on: August 28, 2009, 07:30:34 am »
Hope it's not an ear infection, however, if it is from the milk, that could very easily have triggered an infection. Let us know how he is.

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Re: Can someone plse help me drop the catnap
« Reply #101 on: August 28, 2009, 07:37:20 am »
Hes very grizzly until I sit with him and play with him or pick him up etc and even then hes still a bit grizzly, thought it might me mild SA??

anyway the 2nd nap of the day he went down relatively easy, still started getting crotchety and little bits of crying. I actually sat with him in his room quietly playing with him for about 20mins to see if i could spot the tired signs. well he was fine until he pulled his ear and i thought "hmmm maybe thats a new tired sign" so i picked him up and within 2 mins he was all upset, i didnt even get time to read him a book! however he calmed down on me and became very drowsy so i put him into bed and he slept..... for only 45mins! so what i thought was going to be a great nap day of only two naps at an hour and a half each has become a day where he will be going to bed very early grrrrr





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Re: Can someone plse help me drop the catnap
« Reply #102 on: August 28, 2009, 08:49:42 am »
right well now its affecting bedtime, thats the one place we have NEVER had an issue with, he always goes to bed at night, now its been over half an hour and hes still crying, he calms down when i come over to him and even smiles at me! this is horrible cos we have friends over and im dealing with an upset baby....





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Re: Can someone plse help me drop the catnap
« Reply #103 on: August 28, 2009, 12:46:50 pm »
I hope you get things sorted out. Teething pain might also cause trouble with the ear in that the mouth and ear are close enough he might be feeling discomfort there from his teeth hurting. So there are so many factors. I am sorry he is giving you so much trouble. Did you give him any meds before bed? Might help if he is in any pain.







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Re: Can someone plse help me drop the catnap
« Reply #104 on: August 28, 2009, 23:58:58 pm »
i dont think he is teething. well we have had no catnap for a couple of days now and everything else seems to have sorted itself out too except of course the uncontrollable crying at naptimes. Im gonna start a fresh thread as the title of this one seem to have been solved for now (hopefully!!!)

Thanks Ladies, if you have any further advice please please feel free to add to my new thread, im just not sure what to do