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Re: 10 month old - never slept independantly
« Reply #30 on: September 13, 2009, 12:50:34 pm »
Cheering you on!!  ;D

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Re: 10 month old - never slept independantly
« Reply #31 on: September 13, 2009, 15:18:26 pm »
Good going!  You sound so much happier.  I think you hit the nail on the head, when everyone is getting more sleep it really helps you put things in perspective.  Sleep saves sanity.

Cross the bridge about working when you come to it...if you keep going this way and getting him on track then it will be an easier adjustment for everyone. 

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Re: 10 month old - never slept independantly
« Reply #32 on: September 13, 2009, 19:29:48 pm »
 You are doing a cracking job pal. I can see the results for myself!!! Happy Mummy = happy baby!! Now send me some of that sleepy dust!  ;D ;D ;D


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Re: 10 month old - never slept independantly
« Reply #33 on: September 13, 2009, 19:45:08 pm »
Thanks ladies....we are having a bit of a wobble at the moment..(sniffles/teeth :-[) which really freaks me out bc I'm scared things will go back to being really bad.... ??? Bt I just have to take a moment to myself & remember that I can get him to sleep,,,I'm just so much more aware of how important it is to get it right during the day!!! He's totally OT today as we went out & were late back, & even though he had about 2 hrs sleep, he was showing signs of being tired at least an hour before we got home....& I was so aware of this I was trying to hurry dh, which wasn't working at all.....so I fully expect a bad night??? :-[
He's taken to EW now which is a bit annoying, bt I'm trying to get him as rested as poss hoping that will cure it?? At first It seemed to be bc of him needing to have bm's bt i'm not sure now...I think he was having that bc I was giving him a bottle??? such a guessing game???  :P
Anyway, we've come a long way in little more than a week, & I thought we would prob take quite a while, so I am going to persevere & hope we can keep going forward..... :D
Work tomorrow  :o I hope he sleeps for Mum??? She does really well with him, so I'm sure things will be fine?  :D
I'm off to bed...shattered....XX

 



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Re: 10 month old - never slept independantly
« Reply #34 on: September 13, 2009, 19:48:10 pm »
Emma, alright bird? I have sent you a big consignment of xxx strength sleep magic. Give our wee buddy a kiss (in the morning hopefully)  ;D Xx



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Re: 10 month old - never slept independantly
« Reply #35 on: September 13, 2009, 20:13:18 pm »
I always used to expect the worst for the night with a bad day, and often it didn't happen - so you never know!  I still try to make myself expect the worst so that I am not really angry if it DOES go horrible at night, but many times when I hear DS wake up, I roll over and look at the clock and am shocked to see it's like, 6:55am or something!

So, fingers crossed for you!!

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Re: 10 month old - never slept independantly
« Reply #36 on: September 16, 2009, 19:47:26 pm »
Hi there....well my fears of a serious wobble came to life & I have been struggling somewhat with DS  :-[
He has been a total nightmare for a few nights in a row at bedtime...although he has been sleeping well during the day he has been acting totally OT in the late afternoon..like a baby possessed...he's had me a bit concerned..he is really really manic...do other babies act this way? Having said that he's been much better this evening to put down...more like he was a week or so ago...so maybe that was our regression? Any tips of good ways to wind down...I already bath him, & keep things quiet as I can...we went for a 10 minute car ride to do the recycling & I think that really helped?? I often go for a quiet walk which can help too???
I think he may have hit some sort of developemental milestone as he's very keen to stand & walk using furniture & the second he opens his eyes he tries to stand in his cot...which at night turns into a battle of wills... :-[
His night wakings seem to be drawing out which hopefully is a good sign...he was a 2am waker & these past few nights we are on 4am??? I can usually get him back to sleep, but it can take up to 2 hours...he is so nearly asleep but just can't quite let go-doing a lot of big jerky movements?? This in turn makes him more tired during the day....hence the crazy baby by 4pm? Last night/early am he wouldn't settle unless he was in my arms??....I do still feel we've come a long way as we are down generally to just one NW, but I just hope I'm on the right track???  ???
I have been so utterly tired I have felt like my limbs are fizzing & my heart is racing...not good.....but a better night last night & I feel ok again... :)



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Re: 10 month old - never slept independantly
« Reply #37 on: September 16, 2009, 20:48:13 pm »
Ahhhh... the jack-in-the-box milestone. I remember it well.

How you handle it (and the success) seems to depend very much on the LO. We went through hell with this stage (about a month of it) until I changed my approach. Initially I did as everyone recommended which was to lay him back down each time, as eventually he would get the message. But my DS never did. Or more to the point; he got the message straight off but just wasn't what he wanted to do.

I had another friend going through similar (less extreme) around the same time. She'd been to a sleep consultant who works in a very BW way and passed on a few advice titbits to me. Which I followed. So, from then on when he stood up I said 'lie down, it's time to sleep'. I patted his mattress where his head should be. If he was really upset, I would comfort (I wouldn't pick up until absolutely necessary) by stroking his head or cheek, and then repeat 'lie down, it's time to sleep' and pat the mattress. Sometimes I'd take his lovie and place that on the mattress where his head should be, stroke its head etc. And then I would move back to wherever I was sitting on his floor, so I wasn't sitting right next to his cot. I'd wait. When he lay down, I would say 'good boy, that's right', time to sleep now'. And wait. If he stood up, I'd say again 'lie down, etc'. There were times that I would lie him down: if he'd woken & was upset / sleepy, I would lie him down and stroke his head before waiting at the door until he was asleep. But if he stood up again, I stuck to the above approach.

Basically, I gave him complete control over whether he was going to stand up or lie down to go to sleep. It's a huge development for them. I can't blame them for wanting to practice their new trick. Giving my DS the right to exercise this skill when he wanted, worked well for us. He did it all day long. And in bed, well, was up to him to lie down. It worked pretty fast for us.

And so it went. It didn't take long. I did this at the same time as a GW program where I was moving further away from his bed each night and closer to the door. Once at the door / on the other side, I rarely needed to tell him to lie down that much as by then, he would lie down to go to sleep.

My friend did something slightly different, but she didn't lay her daughter down either (with the above exception). She gently rubbed / stroked the back of her daughters leg for a moment and said 'lie down, time to etc'. She didn't sit on the floor as I did, but lay on another bed in the room, putting her head on her hands in a sleeping position. And showed her that it was sleep time. She'd repeat the 'lie down' bit, and get up to rub her legs if needed.

For she and I, the lay down approach just didn't get us anywhere other than a long hard fight at every night and nap, with unhappy Mamas and babies.

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Re: 10 month old - never slept independantly
« Reply #38 on: September 16, 2009, 21:52:39 pm »
Hi there hun, you are doing a great job...you are figuring him out so well.  I think he sounds a bit OT, could be from unconsolidated sleep (NW) and/or cruising milestones...anything really can cause these LO's to go OT.  Finn goes very manic when OT - complete with the 'jerks' you mention.

There are going to be ups and downs and you are handling them perfectly.  Hang in there!
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Re: 10 month old - never slept independantly
« Reply #39 on: September 16, 2009, 22:18:34 pm »
Hi there hun, you are doing a great job...you are figuring him out so well.  I think he sounds a bit OT, could be from unconsolidated sleep (NW) and/or cruising milestones...anything really can cause these LO's to go OT.  Finn goes very manic when OT - complete with the 'jerks' you mention.

There are going to be ups and downs and you are handling them perfectly.  Hang in there!

Totally agree. You're doing great and on the OT.

I deal with the middle of night jerks (not the drunken louts outside) by keeping my hand on DS while he goes back to sleep, either on his front or back, depends how he's lying. Gentle firm pressure until I feel he has passed the jerky stage. Not sure if that helps.

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Re: 10 month old - never slept independantly
« Reply #40 on: September 17, 2009, 00:49:52 am »
For this morning's nap I had to pin Finn's legs to the cot lol  He kept bucking and waking himself up.  Don't think he was OT either...just some random thing he now does all of a sudden (along with the dreaded 'hairball noise' which I am loathing already)
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Re: 10 month old - never slept independantly
« Reply #41 on: September 18, 2009, 13:23:12 pm »
Hi everyone,
I am new to this site and in need of help.  My little one is 10 and a half months old.  Till recently he was going to bed at night by himself.  I would place him in his crib and soon enough he will be sleeping.  Naps were different story and he needed to be rocked.
Now everything is a mess. He needs to be rocked also for bedtime and his naps are getting shorter everyday.  We did have a lot of turbulence past few months.  Went to the sea side for almost two months, came back and then his daddy and myself had to leave for a short trip. 
He never slept during the night without wakings.  Sometime it would be just for pacifier but recently he want to be placed in bed w us.  Now it is just me since my darling husband has to work and needs some decent sleep.
I have been pushed to change his habits and it was CO method that was highly recommended.  Always hesitated about it but gave in and tried.  It was a horror and at the end he will fall asleep with me in the room.  It all started this Monday and since then we are a total mess.  That is my son and I since daddy is away on a business trip.
What I have achieved is that he does go to sleep without me rocking him.  I put a hand on his torso and sing quietly.  He loves my singing! 
But last night was a breaking point from where I decided to seek help.
He cried constantly from 3 till 5 am.  I do not even remember how we fell asleep.  He was in his bed, I was not picking him up at all.
While reading all posts here I realize perhaps it was a mistake.  So I will try tonight with PU/PD.
The only problem is that I really have no real knowledge or the ability to get books on the topic and I am very limited with free time, not to mention my energy level that is way down.
Could someone suggest step by step plan?

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Re: 10 month old - never slept independantly
« Reply #42 on: September 19, 2009, 22:39:19 pm »
Hi there

Would you like to try PU/PD or GW (gradual withdrawl)? PU/PD will involve more crying up front, but I believe it takes less time to sleep train this way overall. GW is more gradual, gentle and less crying but takes longer.

Let me know which approach you think you'd like to look at / try and then we can get you the help you need to put it in place, okay?

Charlotte

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Re: 10 month old - never slept independantly
« Reply #43 on: September 26, 2009, 05:22:32 am »
Hi there, I am just letting everyone know how we are doing. Since my last post we had a good week & a half or so of pure hell! :-[
Lots of NW's & resistance to napping.... :-[ Last saturday night being probably the worst night with me getting only 1 hr all night after a particularly hard week & work etc... :-[ thought to myself...well this is it...is this how things are going to be then?? ???
But, I am happy to report that things were much better from Sunday onwards...He still has nw's but they seem to be thinning out...he is waking a couple of times early on it the night...to be just resettled, & we have been going through until 5.30am the last few days.... :) so fingers crossed..well everything crossed actually :P
DS has been cutting four top teeth all together so I think that could be part of the problem...poor lamb...but also you know I have been struggling to get him to eat? well I decided to try him on much more solid food & that has had a major impact...I think he was bored of mush basically?? ???
I have been looking on the spirited threads too & they are really helpful...a couple of weeks back when things were bad I was scared I had a child who had behavioural problems as he was just sooooo wired?! ??? but he is just very spirited I think??? 99% of the time he's a joy, he's just into everything at 100miles per hour...with a great deal of noise? ;)
Anyways, I thought I'd let you guys know.....I really pleased with progress, my boy is much happier, & so am I...if a little tired still.  ;D  XXXXX



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Re: 10 month old - never slept independantly
« Reply #44 on: September 30, 2009, 17:49:04 pm »
How's it going?  Sounds like the teething threw things out of whack.  Getting better??
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