14.5 mo. 2-1 crazy!!!

[sherry lynn]

Do you think there was any chance he was OT?

That doesn't sound good, sounds OT

[babyboy26]

Yes, that's what I am thinking, since he had 2.5 A on a 20m nap.  He did have a good night, but I have to say that he was quite grumpy when I woke him after 20m.  He actually just woke at 2:40, only a 1hr20m nap.  Cried out for 3m, and then back to sleep (I think...as it's only been 6m!)  I'm thinking that with the good night and later wake-up this am, I may have been better off trying for one nap and doing an early bedtime if needed.  He did take 15m to settle for that 20m nap, he could have def. handled 4.5hrs easily on that night.  *Sigh*  I'm starting to doubt whether I will ever get this all figured out!

[sherry lynn]

That's a good idea, the next time you have a good solid night sleep, I would go for the one nap and see how he does.
Then you can start working on pushing out that A time. You are almost to enough A time to really be solidly on one nap, as long as he's willing to give you a good nap.

[babyboy26]

Yes, that's the plan...I think he is pretty close...just need to wait for another 7am wakeup!

Yesterday, he was back asleep after waking for about 3m at 2:40...I woke him at 3:05.  He went to sleep at 7:40...barely making a peep after putting him down.  He did wake this am at 6:20, though  

I have a dentist appt today at 10, and have nobody to watch him.  I decided to try and put him down for a catnap at 8:20, and see if he would sleep.  That was only 2hrs A, but he was asleep at 8:25!!!  Yes, I am shocked, but happy that he will be able to get through the dentist appt with me!  It is 9:00, and he's still asleep.  I plan on waking him at 9:15, if he hasn't woken already, and then down for pm nap at 12:30.  Fingers crossed for a decent pm nap!  I didn't think I could push him to one nap today with that early of a wake-up.  I cannot count on him sleeping in the car, as he almost never does that anymore.  Besides...you never know how long it will take at the dentist!

[sherry lynn]

Good luck. Poor thing must be pretty tired. Good luck on the PM nap

[babyboy26]

Well, I have messed up again!  After he had a 45m am nap yesterday (because I had a dentist appt, and nobody to watch him), he went to sleep for the pm nap at 12:40.  He slept until 2:50...yes a solid 2hrs10m.  I knew that was probably too much day sleep, but I needed some "me" time, so I let him sleep.  I knew he would have a short night because of it, but I was being a bit selfish!  The good news is that he handled his almost 5hr A before bed beautifully.  He was asleep at 7:40, but woke at 6:10, so 10.5 hrs.  I expected that since he got so much day sleep. 

So, today I am back to the 20m am nap, and then trying to put him down after 2hrs for the pm nap.  I am just so, so confused.  It seems I can only get an 11 + hr night once a week right now.  *Sigh*  I will do this 20m am nap thing for a couple more days, and if it's not working, I may either just go for one nap or go back to long am/short pm.  One thing I think I have learned is that he seems to be much more prone to OT in the am than he does for bedtime.  Yes, he's been waking early, but manages the A before bed just fine and very rarely has NWs lately.  What do you think?

[sherry lynn]

I didn't see where the mistake was
That all seemed fine to me.

I actually think you are lucky   To have gotten away with all this for so long

A lot of moms find that during the 2-1 it is really hard to get 10 hours or even 10.5 at night. And then it goes back up once they make the switch.

The fact that he handled that A time before bed is a really really good sign.

If he can't do 5 hours in the morning, maybe he could do something like this

wake
4.5 hours A time
Hopefully at least a 2 hour nap
5 hours A time
Bed

WDYT

Honestly we didn't get many 7 am wakes ups, so if you keep not getting them, then maybe just try the above on a day when he seems in a good mood.

Then hopefully that night he will sleep 11-12 hours at night.

Just going by his age he really should be close to ready.

[babyboy26]

I was thinking the mistake was letting him sleep almost 3hrs total in the day, knowing that it would result in a shorter night.

Ok, so if I do the above routine, and he woke at 6:10, that would mean nap 10:40-12:40 and bedtime at 5:40?  Even if he slept 12 hrs, that would be a really early wakeup, don't you think?

He did take 20m nap from 10:25-10:45 this am...very grumpy upon waking him.  I don't think he likes me waking him up after such a short nap.  I put him down at 12:45, and he is in there right now kicking the crib I think...making some kind of strange noise.  Not talking or crying, just some kicking or banging of some sort.

[sherry lynn]

No.  I think I would wait until he slept until 6:30 at least.

Then
hopefully it would be something like this

6:30
11-1  (hopefully longer)
bed at 6

It might not work out that nicely, but you'll only know if you try.

How long does he usually sleep on an AM nap with 4.5 hours of A time. If it's not long then I would up it by 15 min to see if you get a longer nap.

The waking them up is the worst part about the 20 min nap. It was horrible. Lyle doesn't like it when I wake him from a 3 hour nap, let alone 20 min

[babyboy26]

Yes, he HATES when I wake him from a 20m nap.  Here's what happened yesterday...
6:10 wake
10:25-10:45 nap 1 (I woke)
1:00-2:45 (I woke)

He woke at 1:40 for about 1 minute.  I am thinking he was slightly OT, as he was looking really drowsy when I was feeding him lunch.  Is it possible that he might want less than 2hrs A after a 20m nap?  I put him down at 12:45, but it took 15m for him to settle.  He did not go to bed until 7:55...not sure why.  He just chatted and played for 25m.  Then, he had 2 NWs...one at 2:00 and one at 4:45.  He whined for about 1 minute each time.  Of course, this probably happened because I just said how he very rarely has NWs...I shouldn't have typed that, ha ha!  Anyway, he slept until 6:40.  So that was 10hr45m night.  It seems that he pretty much has a 10.5 hr night no matter what I do lately, with an 11+ hr maybe once a week.  So, I'm wondering if I ought to just let him sleep as long as he wants in the afternoon. 

I'm not sure what his am nap would be after 4.5 hrs right now.  It's been about a month (maybe longer) since I have been cutting the am nap shorter and shorter, so I'm not really sure.  I'm thinking of trying for one nap today, since he woke at 6:40.  Maybe putting him down at 11:15, hoping he'll be asleep by 11:25, which would be 4.75 hrs.  Hoping to get at least 2hrs.  If not, then maybe offer a cn in the pm?  What do you think? 

[babyboy26]

Ok, so I tried it...11:25 asleep, woke at EXACTLY 12:00.  Back asleep at 12:08, woke at 12:43...exactly 35m each time.  This is classic OT for him, I'm sure!  Will have to do a pm nap...ugggghhhhh, I was really hoping it would just work out!

[sherry lynn]

ugggggghhhh indeed.

I would just let him sleep in the afternoon. Especially if the night sleep seems to be the same no matter what.

There were days where I had to put Lyle down at 1.5 hours A time after the 20 min nap, so it is completely possible that he needs a little less.

[babyboy26]

Well, he only slept from 3:15-4:00.  Then, he took ages to fall asleep again...did not fall asleep until 7:55.  This morning, he was up at 5:45!!!  Less than 10hrs.  He *may* have gone back to sleep for about 10m, as he was quiet from 5:55-6:05, but after that, he was definitely 100% awake! 

Seems as though trying for that one nap really screwed things up!  He just went to sleep at 9:25.  I could see that he was pretty tired.  I think I am going to let him have 1hr, as he will be up at 10:25, and that's early enough for me to try and get a good nap in with enough A before bedtime.  *Sigh*

I think yesterday was a combination of OT and UT...OT in the am, but maybe UT for bed? 

[sherry lynn]

I would agree.

good luck on the PM nap.

[babyboy26]

Do you think it's ok to let him sleep an hour this am to catch up a bit?