Anyone Want to Talk about the 2-1 Transition? Thread #10

[*Jo*]

well after our late bedtime it wasnt a great night, one night waking and an early waking then a horrid horrid day. last night however he woke up at 11.15pm and i had to go into him every 5-10mins for an hour, he would fall asleep and then his nose would block up so he would wake up again (i sat and watched him at one point to find out why he was waking and saw this) so gave him some more panadol and he slept the rest of the night till 7am, hes in a good mood, very clingy to me only and sneezy, runny nose, great, his first Christmas and he is sick. another thing is that hes really trying to talk, saying "gung gung" and a few other noises i cant spell but hes been doing it ALOT so im presuming thsi all affects sleep?? lets see how todays naps go

[*Jo*]

ummmmm again a one hour nap! you can set the clock to it, to the minute!!! im not sure what to do about that, yesterday after he woke at one hour he refused his PM nap, im a bit worried about this afternoon. I was going to wake him earlier but hes got a bit of a sniffly cold so i wanted him to get as much sleep as possible *sigh*

[Flightmommy]

Given that he's sick, it's hard to tell what that one hour nap means, but over here, on a good day, usually one hour naps are UT. It seems to be happening alot lately cause I know that i'm keeping his A times shorter than what he can do, just to have enough time to fit both naps in. Too bad that he's sick for his first Christmas..hope he gets better soon, so you can all enjoy the holidays!!
  Well, we got a 1h15 pm nap today, which i also believe is UT..it ended at 4:30pm and I tried for an 8pm bedtime, instead got 8:15, so a little better than last night, but the 15 minutes that he took to settle consisted of him screaming and whailing...from the second i put him down. I just don't get it....he hasn't had settling issues at bedtime for months now. I decided to just stick with some shshing at his bedside cause when i pick him up, he just gets even more agitated and putting him back down is absolute torture (for both of us!! ). I'm wondering if it's SA? How do you know when it is?
 
 

[Eythi]

thinking its my time to join in here... mea has been going to really late - 8.30ish but still wakes up at 6.30 in the morning. she has a 1 or 1.30hr am nap - anytime starting between 8 to 9. also 1 to 1.30 hr pm nap.

today she slept from 9 to 10.30 in the morning and 1.30 to 4 in the evening... hmmm everyday seems so different these day. is she really transiting?

[*Jo*]

Hi Eythi, i think those naps are a bit too long, especially if you are transitioning, we havent had two 1.5 hour naps in months otherwise our day would be 15-16 hours long, you need to shorten one of them as her A times are getting longer.

well for us we had a fight on our hands yesterday, he wouldnt go to sleep till the 4 hour mark and then he slept an hour 20mins so obviously we were putting him down UT for those 1 hour naps. the issue is how do i fit in these naps with a 4 hour A time, i cant put him down earlier in the mornings or he fights me till its been 4 hours then if i do a long nap he wont take his next nap till 5pm! which is waaaay too late. Is 2 hours daysleep enough for them at this age???

heres how it will look

wake up at 7.30am
nap 1 - 11.30-1pm
nap 2 - 5-5.30
bedtime - 8.30?
or
7.30 wake up
nap 1 - 11.30-12.00 (I can imagine he would be terribly grumpy after a long A time and a short nap)
nap 2 - 3 - 4.30
bedtime 8.30

what do you think?

[Nauvoo]

calebsmummy, I like the looks of the 2nd routine but if he's too grumpy I guess you'd have to adjust.  If the second routine would work for you I think it looks great!
Over hear that would never fly.  I'd get a 30 minute nap in the morning and a 40 minute nap in the afternoon.
I also wonder about how much day sleep is needed for my LO?  I really need some advice over here!!!  My Lo this week has taken 30, 35, 40, and 50 minute naps.  Nothing longer than that but I've gotten at least two naps a day.  So I figured I was needing to add some A time and did and we are at 4 hours A time and get a one hour nap in the morning and then she will not go down for the second nap until at least another 4 hours A time.  Well by then she only takes a 30 minute nap and so we are running on 1.5 hours of sleep, which she hasn't gotten more than this at all this week and a lot of days less than this.  (I really feel like the long am and short pm nap routine is going to be best for my LO). She sleeps great at night and I get 11.5 to 12 hours our of her depending on when I put her down which is why I'd love to always put her down at 7pm seeing how it doesn't matter what time she goes to sleep she will wake at 7am.  So she sleeps great at night right now on 1.5 hours day sleep but is it going to catch up to us???  Is 1.5 hours day sleep plus 11.5-12 hours night sleep enough for a 11 month old?  I hope it's not obvious:)

[*Jo*]

nauvoo i just had a look at this and for a 1 year old it has 2 hours 15-30mins day sleep as an average so perhaps thats what to stick with?  http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=85134.0

[Flightmommy]

Oh, i'm so glad i've got this chat thread....i've been dealing with all the same problems as you ladies have. Calebsmummy, those 5pm naps are driving me nuts....yes, they are wayyyy too late, but with a long am nap, the pm nap just doesn't happen any earlier than that. My Caleb has been going to bed later and later, and I really believe these late pm naps are the cause....today was by far the worst, of course it being Christmas day, i wasn't expecting a textbook day. He woke at 7:20am (only 10.5 hour night again) and did his first nap at 11:05am..i was planning on letting him do the long am/short pm thing today as we had to be at a family dinner and I figured it would be easier to get him to do a catnap there rather than a long nap. Well, he was still sleeping at 12:45pm, so i decided to wake him as he would never nap again if i didn't...but it got me wondering, if I hadn't woke him and just let him sleep, maybe he would have done a good 2h, 2.5h? And then early bedtime? Probably not,I still think he's too young for just one nap.....Anyways, pm nap happened in the car from 4:45pm until 5:25 and of course, tonight, he wouldn't settle for bedtime until 9pm!!! 9pm!!!..seriously, that is such a late bedtime for a baby...it was only a few weeks ago that we were doing 6:30 bedtimes!!!
 Funny enough, I was just thinking of how I could tweak his sked to get rid of these late nights and Calebsmummy's 2nd scenario is exactly what I had in mind, so Jo....i say we put the Calebs on this schedule and see what happens!! lol!!  Although I don't even know if I can get him to go down after only 3 hours A time....even after a short 30 minute am nap, he's been streaching his A times so much lately, it's truly baffling!! I'm also wondering about the right amount of day sleep...yesterday we had an unusual 3 hours day sleep and then a shorter night...so i guess it all about where you want to have the sleep, I myself prefer him having longer nights, it really makes a difference in his mood.
 Eythi, i agree with Calebsmummy...that's definitely too much day sleep, btw, how old is your LO? Your nights are also a bit on the shorter side at 10 hours, so i bet if you added some A time and reduced the daytime sleep a bit, you would get longer nights.

[*Jo*]

hmmm i got a nap out of him at 4.45pm with no troubles at all! i might keep it up for a few more days, if it starts to decline (because we all know what works one day doesnt always work the next!) then i will go to the short AM and long PM nap. I have noticed though that if i dont give him looooong cuddles right before i put him into bed lately he will put up a fight, the only times hes gone down for a nap with no struggle are the times ive stood by the cot in the dark just cuddling him for a couple of minutes, then i plop him into bed and say goodnight, so i think SA is playing a part in all of this if he is reassured by the cuddles (he used to push me away if i tried to even cuddle him for a second before bed)

[Flightmommy]

Jo, good job on the 4:45pm nap....those are always a struggle for us. Hope they last for you! After last night's 9pm bedtime, Caleb woke today at 8pm and it's now 11:40am here and i'm doing the 30 min nap...will wake him in about 10 minutes as he went down at 11:20...wow, that doesn't leave much mommy time!! I'm just worried about getting the right A time after this short nap, as we've never tried it so short....my guess is an A time of 3-3:15. And i'm hoping for an earlier bedtime tonight....his days are really getting too long.

[Eythi]

flightmommy, DD is 1 year... almost 13 months now.
Trouble is if i wake her from any of her naps she starts to cry and till the next nap time she keeps saying 'na na' aka sleeeeepy...
yesterday she had a very short pm nap... 45 mins from 1 to 1.45... she readily went to bed at 6.30, thought she would wake up early but she slept till 6.30 (her typical wake up time)
today her am nap was till 3 and didn't sleep till almost 7:30

[*Jo*]

Flightmommy - i think im gonna board your train today!!! we had a 9 hour night last night, he went to bed fine at 8.30 but we have been up since 5.40am!!!! havent had a morning this early in a long time ugh! so we are off to church this morning, the perfect day to try a 30min morning nap as he doesnt sleep longer than 45mins at church anyway, are you doing a full A time before the short AM nap? eeeek Im scared im gonna end up with a monster of a baby on my hands today!!!

[Nauvoo]

I find I have to do some longggggg cuddles, too, before naps.  It makes for a much longer wind down but it's a bit necessary to even get the nap in.  But, she goes down great at night, I don't get it???  At night I can just do our wind down routine and put her in the bed and that's it, but NOT for naps.
I've also been trying to nail down A times after short naps.  It's a bit daunting so let me know what your Caleb does Flightmommy.  I'd just like to compare.
I'm finding lately that one morning my LO can do 4 hours A time and not show much tired cues and then the next day (like today) at 3.5 hours A time she needs a nap, a lot on the cranky side!  It's way hard to be consistent with this.  Is consistency in A times that important???  I was told that with consistent morning A times that the pm nap would get easier.  Don't know about that?  What do you all think?  Of course there's not much to say about consistency right now!

[Flightmommy]

Nauvoo06, we don't even know the meaning of the word consistency anymore!! I don't know if I nailed down the A time after his am nap, but he's just gone down at 3:40pm, which was after an A time of 3h30...oh and he had a 50 min nap this am instead of 30 minutes....i messed that one up myself. I just couldn't wake him at the 30 minute mark, as I never can using the old "oh look how nicely he's sleeping, i'll leave him just a little while longer " excuse....of course, it's just a selfish way of buying myself some more "me time"!! LOL!! Anyways, he woke on his own at the 50 min mark, which I think means UT, tired enough to get through the first sleep cycle, but not tired enough to keep sleeping much longer....any experts here that can confirm that?? Also, he had an A time of 3.20 before his am nap and he'd had a good 11 hour night, so that A time was probably too short for him....i just figured with him finally crawling now, that he would be tired more easily and would need shorter A's.....so far, no luck!!
  So, now on to the pm nap, which started late again cause he just wouldn't settle...playing in his crib, so i guess he can do longer A's even after a shorter nap...sigh!! There's just not enough hours in the day for this kid to fit in 2 proper naps!! I'm going to wake him after an hour of this pm nap so that we can hopefully get an 8pm ish bedtime....we've been getting bedtime crying lately too, which is unsusual...never a dull moment!!
  Calebsmummy, i'm impressed that your Caleb sleeps at all at church...mine is sooo distracted by the music and people, there is usually no chance of getting a nap out of him. Sorry to hear about your 9 hour night!! That's a short one.....do you think he's OT? You did say he had a cold this week...is he doing any better? In response to your question, i'm not doing a full A time before am nap cause then the day would be too long, unless the am nap is going to be the longer nap. I think it's best to keep the A time shorter if the nap is going to be a shorter one....i've just got to wrap my mind around waking him at the 30 minute mark!!! Does anyone else find that as they are napping less, we are having less and less time to ourselves???
 

[gavinsmum1]

I'm enthusiastically jumping on board to this thread.  Some of you ladies have already been chatting with me!
So Jesse is 11.5 months and we are going through an absolute nightmare of OT right now.  I actually think we've been in this situation for longer than I imagined.  Jesse was actually doing only 2 hours daytime sleep from about 8 months onward, but his nights were almost always 11.5 hours or more.
Now, we're looking at 1.5-2 hours daytime sleep and around 11 hour nights.  Last night we had a wicked EW of 5:15!!!  I actually did some APOP just to save him from a less than 10 hour night, which we haven't had since he was an infant!
His naps are looking a little better, though, so I think we're straightening out the A times.  We've been on the short am, long pm nap for a while, but I think I let OT build up for too long.  I'm thinking that I might just go back to the long pm/short pm nap.  I haven't done that in almost two months, but it was always a guarantee that he'd nap better in the morning, so I'm thinking that we might go back to that.  Any advice, here? If he's waking at 6 (it's gotten earlier) should I put him down for the am nap at around 10?  Just curious how your ladies' EASYs would work if your LOs were waking at 6.  Anyone mind jotting that down here for me?
I'll be back soon!!
Jenn