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Re: I just emailed an earful to a formula company!
« Reply #30 on: July 21, 2010, 20:26:28 pm »
I would follow on with them AND with your government via the link PP included. Totally agree, NOT a satisfactory response!

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Re: I just emailed an earful to a formula company!
« Reply #31 on: July 22, 2010, 00:23:36 am »
Thanks for the link MandS's mom, that's really interesting and it makes me even more mad that they sent this out in the mail and that they lied on their packaging.


I'm guessing Canada is one of the countries that follows the WHO code, but hasn't made it into law? You still see print ads for formula in magazines, I've seen store coupons for formula and ads in flyers too.  They seem to have totally side stepped the real issue you had!
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Re: I just emailed an earful to a formula company!
« Reply #32 on: July 22, 2010, 07:53:51 am »
WHOA!!! That just SCREAMS illegal to me!!!

I bottlefeed (BF'd for 2 weeks...) but STILL!!! For example, on Cow & Gate's website, you have to tick a box saying you've read their "important notice" before you can look at their "baby milk products"

Have copied and pasted for interest:

http://www.cowandgate.co.uk/terms_and_conditions/article/breastfeeding_notice?target=%2four_products%2fbaby_milks

Please read this important notice first

By clicking the continue button, you will be able to view information about Cow & Gate infant milks and other products. If you choose to proceed, you are accepting that Cow & Gate is supplying this information at your individual request for information purposes.

Breastfeeding is best for babies and provides many benefits. It is important that, in preparation for and during breastfeeding, you eat a healthy, balanced diet. Combined breast and bottle feeding in the first weeks of life may reduce the supply of your own breastmilk, and reversing the decision not to breastfeed is difficult. The social and financial implications of using an infant milk should be considered. Improper use of an infant milk or inappropriate foods or feeding methods may present a health hazard. If you use an infant milk, you should follow manufacturer’s instructions for use carefully – failure to follow the instructions may make your baby ill. Infant formula is suitable from birth when babies are not breastfed.

Follow-on milk is only for babies over 6 months, as part of a mixed diet and should not be used as a breastmilk substitute before 6 months. If you wish to use this product before 6 months, we advise that you consult your healthcare professional. It is recommended that all formula milks be used on the advice of a doctor, midwife, health visitor, public health nurse, dietitian, pharmacist or other professional responsible for maternal and child care, based on baby’s individual needs
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Re: I just emailed an earful to a formula company!
« Reply #33 on: July 22, 2010, 13:05:53 pm »
Wow... funny, I also received the Enfamil in the mail... (along with a copy of their "nourishing dreams" magazine?!).. Nestle Good Start also sent cans of Formula... (none of which were requested) I ended up donating them... I never paid much attention to the formula "propaganda" on the samples - but good for you for emailing them and following up. I can't believe their lazy response!  DS is EBF, and although my hospital was very Pro-Bfing, they were still quick to suggest formula if you were having any sort of difficulties Bfing... *sigh*....I really had to stick to my "no formula please" standpoint..  seems like $$ and the formula industry has a hold on alot of people... I respect and understand that some need to use formula, but IMO, it seems like formula companies just do what's *best* for themselves...

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Re: I just emailed an earful to a formula company!
« Reply #34 on: July 22, 2010, 13:16:27 pm »
WOw- I got samples in the mail too here in Canada but I signed up for info and a maternity fair, so I guess I was fair game.  I passed it all on to friedns who couldn't BF but it was Good Start and Similac and I didn't see anythign like what you're describing.  There are soooo many adds in magazines for formula though!!!  I think I would be so boggled if I had to choose one and would always be second guessing myself since they all claim to be the best... 
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Re: I just emailed an earful to a formula company!
« Reply #35 on: July 22, 2010, 13:22:14 pm »
Never mind- I just read the link with the info about the Code of Ethics... pretty much EVERYTHING I see goes against that!  Yikes!
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Re: I just emailed an earful to a formula company!
« Reply #36 on: July 22, 2010, 16:27:04 pm »
I think its great what you did and they really should check who they are sending things out. I FF and I am glad that my hospital was not pro either way. If I asked for Formula they provided it but if I wanted to BF I would have got support too. At the end of the day it has to be the Mums choice and I agree with the way the UK states that BF is best and my hat always goes off for any woman that BF. There is all sorts of nonsense in most advertising for practically everything, you just have to take it with a LARGE pinch of salt! :)

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Re: I just emailed an earful to a formula company!
« Reply #37 on: July 22, 2010, 18:26:48 pm »
Here is a copy of what I emailed back... For the record, the part about "formula causing all sorts of health risks...etc." I do NOT agree with, but I thought my email would sound stronger if I copied the material provided from the "INFACT Canada" site. I think to say that formula "causes" these health risks is quite extreme, I think that bfing may "lower" certain risks but ffeeding does not "cause" or "increase" these risks IYKWIM? I totally think that bfing or ffeeding should be a mom's choice and no one should push her one way or the other. However, many moms in the initial stages of bfing have an extremely difficult time with not much support, pain, fear of doing it right, etc., that it would only take one can of free formula with these ads to push her over to formula, and I don't think this is right. I was ticked that in her response, she said they will remove me from their mailing list but I might still get stuff in the mail for a while! It will be interesting to see what she replies...

Natalie,

I appreciate being removed immediately from the mailing list, especially since I did not ask to be placed on it to begin with. Please note however, that it will be UNACCEPTABLE to mail me additional items from your company so I will appreciate every effort being made to ensure that I do NOT receive additional free formula or coupons or such in the future.

In addition, you did not respond to my comment about the marketing of your product, the fact that Mead Johnson has false information on the carton of formula that you sent me in the mail. To show a picture of a baby drinking your formula from a bottle with the caption “you want him to have the best start” and “our closest formula to breast milk” (we know no formula is close to breast milk), and “you want her to be healthy, nourish your little one with a free sample of Enfamil A+” (I personally found this statement to be shocking, as formula potentially causes all sorts of health issues such as increased risk of cancers, asthma, ear infections- if anything, there should be a warning label on formula). This is false advertising. This, along with sending me the free formula in the mail to begin with, all goes against the terms of the WHO’s International Code of Marketing breast milk substitutes. In case you are unaware, Canada has endorsed this.


I look forward to your reply. Specifically, how you will back up and explain your claims on the carton (and why it does not state on the carton “breast milk is best”), how you will ensure this does not happen in the future, and what Mead Johnson will be doing, going forward, to comply with the World Health Organization’s International Code.
 



 

 

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Re: I just emailed an earful to a formula company!
« Reply #38 on: July 22, 2010, 18:39:01 pm »
**stands up and claps** .... you go girl!! :) I'm REALLY interested to see what they have to say to that!!

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Re: I just emailed an earful to a formula company!
« Reply #39 on: July 22, 2010, 18:41:46 pm »
you go girl!!

JINX!!! I was totally going to say that!!!
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Re: I just emailed an earful to a formula company!
« Reply #40 on: July 22, 2010, 18:42:43 pm »
I'll say it anyway:

YOU GO GIRL!!!!!

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Re: I just emailed an earful to a formula company!
« Reply #41 on: July 22, 2010, 20:02:44 pm »
I look forward to your reply. Specifically, how you will back up and explain your claims on the carton (and why it does not state on the carton “breast milk is best”), how you will ensure this does not happen in the future, and what Mead Johnson will be doing, going forward, to comply with the World Health Organization’s International Code.

ABSOLUTELY LOVE this bit!!!!


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Re: I just emailed an earful to a formula company!
« Reply #42 on: July 23, 2010, 00:30:10 am »
whew, Marian! fantastic!

hey...thought of being a lawyer as a second career ;) just kidding!
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Re: I just emailed an earful to a formula company!
« Reply #43 on: July 23, 2010, 04:26:11 am »
Rah! rah!  Hear, Hear!  Well said Marian!
Good for you in getting "official" information to make this company "put their money where their mouth is".

I agree with Nadia about the choice to FF or BF being Mama's personal choice. 
 
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Re: I just emailed an earful to a formula company!
« Reply #44 on: July 23, 2010, 09:41:03 am »
Be interested to hear the reply from that email!!!  Nicely worded Marian!!