Help!!! 25 mth old won't nap and won't sleep through night

[Mummyluv]

Help!!!  We are at our wits end, particularly my hubby who has a 3.5 hour commute each day. Ds has been a great mapper and sleeper since we first started using EASY at 6 weeks old. 2 weeks ago he stopped napping and has been hard to put to bed at night and also waking at night screaming. Last night it was so loud my ears actually began to hurt.  He won't let me leave him at all and is very sensitive to any movement around him so it's hard to even leave the room. With hubby's commute it hard to let him scream.
We moved in December and now I can't find my books so I have no idea what to do or what his schedule should look like. Please help!

[babybarr]

With hubby's commute it hard to let him scream.

BW doesn't condone letting the "baby" to cry so we'll do what we can to help you out.

(((hugs))) firstly I wonder if he is poorly?  Do you think he might be?  Did he ever have reflux?

What sort of routine were you on before it went a bit wonky?

[Mummyluv]

Hi Laura, thank you   please pardon my mistakes in here im using my phone and its tough to see everything . I don't like to let him cry it out either which is why BW has been such a blessing. He has been a fabulous sleeper, apart from the early waking for the past 9 months, until the past few weeks. When I say cry it out I don't mean leaving him to cry alone.  I mean he's so crazy that PUPD can last forever with manic screaming even after he stops standing/sitting up that I have started to sit in the rocker or on occasion let him in bed with us. I hate to risk dh being tired on his long commute.
I thought in the beginning he might have been coming down with something but I don't think so now after such a long stretch. As for his routine:

5:30-6:30. Wake Up
7:15.         Small breakfast
8:30.          More substantial breakfast
10:30.        Snack
12pm.        Lunch
12:30-1pm. Nap
2:15-2:45.  Wake
3:00.          Snack
6pm.           Dinner ( sometimes not a great eater)
6:45.           Pjs, milk and popcorn (to make up for dinner)
7:05-7:30.    Bed

He wod go into bed no problem with a sing and a cuddle and say goodnight. Now its much more difficult. I can get him lying down but will NOT let me leave.

I've tried to stick to the same routine but he won't nap at all no matter what I try. Today at 3pm on the way back from school with ds he fell asleep and I got him into his crib for just an hour.
10:30.       

[babybarr]

Hi

He sounds OT to me.  I would in the first instance bring the nap earlier - try noon and see what happens.  Has anything happened to cause the change?

Is he protesting at bedtime too?  Has he got teeth coming?

Have you tried walk in walk out and will he go to sleep if you sit with him?

[Mummyluv]

Hi

I thought he might be OT so I tried bringing bt a little earlier last night. I put him down, tucked him in said goodnight and left (what I used to do no problem). He immediately stood up screaming. I went back in lay him back down with reassurance and left again. He got up again. After a few times going back in he stayed lying down but still screaming. I kept going back in every couple of minutes, not speaking but straighting his blankets, touching his head then leaving. Each time he would still yell but less frantic. Eventually he got to a more mantra like crying so I didn't go back in and after about 10 minutes of mantra he went to sleep. All in all it was about an hour and forty minutes. I don't know if that was walk in walk out but without my book it was my version;)
He woke again screaming at 5:20am. I decided to try and get him back asleep. I went in put him back down and explained it was still night time and he had to sleep then I left the room. He went NUTS!  I went in lay him down again and with dd sleeping in the next room I decided on PUPD instead of wiwo. He stayed down and stopped crying after a short while and went into a semi sleep then began asking to hold my hand. I said nonthst he had to sleep. I stayed about 2 feet away from the crib until he was asleep. It took probably 40 minutes. He slept for about 30 minutes but I was watching the monitor and he woke quietly and calmy no screaming and was very happy when I went to get him. I praised him for sleeping till the 'golden sun' came up.
Is there anything I need to change on wiwo?
I'm going to as you suggest move his nap to 12pm today with a wiwo approach.
The only thing that changed was I had him in daycare at a gym I was going to. He only did 4 days there as I thought it might be the problem but it's been almost two weeks since he's been there.
Thank you for your advise. Knowing there's a community helps when your standing half asleep over the crib

[babybarr]

The only thing that changed was I had him in daycare at a gym I was going to.

Was that when it all changed?  If so I'd put money on that being the problem.  I would still go with the earlier nap and I think I would perhaps sit with him until he's asleep - try not to hold his hand or touch him and just reassure him with your voice.  I wonder if it's the leaving that is bothering him and once he *knows* you are not going anywhere we can work on getting you out of the room!

Knowing there's a community helps when your standing half asleep over the crib

Yes it does!

Let me know how you go with the nap - if it hasn't happened yet!

[Mummyluv]

Oh Laura

I think the earlier nap may have worked today. We were out and I could see him getting sleepy at about 11:45. We were in the car perfectly timed to make it home but hit traffic which really slowed us down so he began to drift in the car not deep enough though to get him up to bed. He woke the second I stopped the car. I gave him lunch and I had him to bed at 12:15. A lot of yelling and protesting. Took about an hour with me finally lying on the floor in his room. At least he's asleep though. I'll have to wake him at 2:40 to go pick up my dd from school so it will be a shorter nap than he would normally have. I'm thinking it would be a good idea to put up to bed at say 6:45 tonight due to the shorter nap. Good/bad idea??
I think your right the gym daycare was probably what did it.   
 I'm afraid to go back with him now and I've signed up for a years membership!

[babybarr]

Yes a 6.45pm bed sounds good.  Perhaps see if you can commit to an earlier home nap tomorrow to test out the theory?

Is there a sitter who could have him while you go to the gym?  Not ideal but maybe a bit better?

[Mummyluv]

Morning Laura

I got him in for an earlier nap yesterday- 11:45am. He only slept for 1.5 hours. I put him to bed at 7:50 with a quick and easy 10 minutes of wiwo. Then he just lay there getting comfortable for about 12 minutes and he was asleep. He slept for exactly 11 hours, waking at 6:11 without crying just rolling around with his monkey. for the first times in ages I was able to go get him when I was ready. I'm not celebrating yet but I think you were right about the early nap and him being it. I never would have thought of that:)

[babybarr]

Perhaps try sticking with the early nap for a few days and see what happens, you could maybe try noon?  Pleased to hear some progress.

[Mummyluv]

Hi Laura

Was Mia as my dd had a bad tummy bug combined with the fact that ds has bad seasonal allergies threw a wrench into the progress I was making. Ds has been tearing his eyes to shreds at night so I started rubbing his eyes fir him to help him off to sleep. I did receive a Good Nite Lite on Monday and he slept through the night both Monday night and last night to 6:30am.  He also started some allergy meds so hopefully i can begin to stop eye rubbing. It's still tough to get him down for his naps but one battle at a time. I really think you pointing out the overtired issue and going with earlier vestiges is helping. Thank you again for your advice!

[babybarr]

Sorry you've had a rough ride.  I guess the antihistamines *may* be helping with the sleep   Keep me posted.