Anyone Want To Talk About The 2-1 Transition? Thread #20

[susaninlondon]

Uggg thanks to a few short day naps and a late night to bed one evening (730 rather than 645ish) we are in horrible OT land!! Help
How do I get out of it? do I just (if I can get him to sleep longer than 30 mins) let him sleep regardless if its a morning nap....have had 2 horrible nights with him groaning every 40 mins,,and then very light sleep from 5am.......he has gone to bed at 615 and has already been awake crying (its only 630 now). Dont know what to do except hope he gets a decent sleep tonight. Anything else you should do to get rid of OT.........help!

[*Kara*]

Hi ladies!  I have been a mod for a bit but have just moved to Naps - will do my best to catch up with everyone and see if I can offer some advice ASAP

[katiepierce]

Hi everyone...sorry I've been MIA for a few days, poorly LO to blame!

sgqz - Hi, wlecome to the bumpy 2:1 ride! How have you been doing the last few days? I wonder if you pulled the nap a bit earlier to say 11.30 then he might sleep a bit longer? For us anything under 2 hours on a one nap day is OT. I reckon if you get him down earlier it would be better and then you could also do early bed time too if you need to. I was pretty scared of early bedtime till I started the 2:1 but it has saved us from OT many times!

Susan - Ugh sorry to hear you are still battling OT. How have your last few days been? I wonder whether the problem is you capping both naps??? I find that leads to OTness very quickly here. Better a shorter morning nap and then letting him sleep as long as he wants at afternoon nap. What A times is he doing now? So for example 6.30 wake, 10 - 10.15 nap, 1 - whenever (3, 3.30...) then bedtime 4 hours from wakeup???

H has been poorly but is finally on the mend I think. We've been mostly doing one nap days but we've had some naps of only 1.5 which isnt enough to take him to bedtime so we've had some NWs and early mornings! I *hope* we are back on track now, wast 2 days have been

Tues - wake 6.45, nap 11.30 - 2.15, bed 6.45
Weds - wake 6.50, nap 11.45 - 1.45, bed 6.30
Today - wake 6.30, nap 11.30 - think he's just waking now at 2.

Does this look ok? Wondering if anyone knows how and when to push nap later as struggling with lunch timings at the mo!?

X

[creations]

Only been on one nap about a month here but lunch has moved from 12.15pm to 2.00 or 2.30pm depending what time he takes his nap and wakes up (and if I've already prepared lunch or make it after he's woken).
I've heard many have an 11.30am lunch so will assume that if your nap shifts a little later you would be able to do this but I think at this point we're stuck with very early or very late lunches.  It doesn't bother me tbh I just started having a snack when DS has one or I'm half starved by the time we have lunch.

[*Kara*]

Wondering if anyone knows how and when to push nap later as struggling with lunch timings at the mo!?

Katie - we still do lunch at wake up - usually around 230/3pm.  Your times look fantastic though!  As for pushing the nap back, it took a month of an 1130ish nap time before we were ready to move to noon.  I have a few ideas for you though...

**  split lunch:  half of it at 1045/11am and half at wake from nap
** lunch before: do lunch at least 45 mins before nap time and offer milk/snack at wake up
** lunch after: do milk/snack before nap and lunch after baby wakes. 

I found that DD was best with a snack/bottle before as she was starting to get a bit fussy in the last 45 mins or so and was reluctant to eat much before her nap... she is quite famished when she wakes though and does eat a fair bit... it really helps to get her to dinner at 530ish!

[creations]

I found that DD was best with a snack/bottle before as she was starting to get a bit fussy in the last 45 mins or so and was reluctant to eat much before her nap... she is quite famished when she wakes though and does eat a fair bit... it really helps to get her to dinner at 530ish!

DS has a very large snack before his nap.  3 days per week we are at toddler group, the other toddlers eat one bread stick OR a minute bowl of fruit.  I have to take DS's snack with me because what is offered at group is no where near enough.  I stuff him with carbsy fruit pancakes (about 5 or 6!) and a whole cup of fruit because the moment we leave group he falls asleep in the car and I have to carry him from the car to his cot asleep or just rousing.  When he wakes he is again famished and we have a HUGE lunch together (his dinner at 5.15 is barely a snack though).

[katiepierce]

This sounds good ladies thanks : ) We have been doing snack/bottle before nap and lunch after too but have been struggling getting dinner into him, especially with early bedtimes happening on some days! Will keep on with this though. Know we should be getting a move on with dropping this late morning bottle too but I just know it helps him sleep longer so very reluctant! Maybe I'l wait till we can push nap back and have lunch before...

Anyway he's poorly (again) today with sky high temp, just taken him to the docs as he's very listless and drowsy which is not at all like my highly spirited monkey...I always bring him into bed with me for morning bottle and a cuddle and it usually lasts 5 mins tops - well today we were still cuddling after 2 hours! Poor wee lamb : ( Got to go back to docs before closing if temp not down at all. Just put him upstairs for a proper sleep as he was just dosing on me...hope he feels better when he wakes up.

Thanks again for the advice ladies : ) XX

Ps - Creations, looks like our bubs are practically the same age - Henry was born on Jan 9th, when was your DS born?

[creations]

Creations, looks like our bubs are practically the same age - Henry was born on Jan 9th, when was your DS born?

13 days late on 11/1/11  (loving his DOB!)

You could switch to a sippy milk with snack for the pre-nap rather than a bottle.  It's also quite common for the evening meal to be small.

Really sorry to hear he's poorly    - DS has ALWAYS got a cold or virus

[Papaya]

13 days late on 11/1/11   (loving his DOB!)

We were really hoping for this for DD  - but she was quite comfy where she was until the 18th, 11 days late!

Teething is really messing us up here at the moment. I had gone back to capping the am nap at an hour instead of 45 mins, as that seemed to be all she could handle...but the past couple of days her A times have been back up again so I woke after 45 mins this morning. She settled pretty well for the pm nap at 1.45, but did a cry out at 25/30 mins and then woke crying at 40 mins and I couldn't get her back down. I blame the teeth again! One has just come through, and two more are threatening. Ugh. So I thought I'd have to do SUPER early BT but she fell asleep in the car for 20 mins at 5pm...so we should be make it until 7.

What do others usually do if you get a really short pm nap after a capped am nap?

Katie, hope your LO is feeling better soon!

[jillc]

Hello all! I'm new here and just browsing to get some ideas about how to transition my DD (16 months) to 1 nap a day. We're on day 2 of one-nap-a-day. It's pretty rough so I'm hoping to find some tips on here. Just wanted to say hi!
Jill

[green100]

We are early on in the transition from 2-1 with your 10.5 month old DD. We have an EW on our hands, usually 4:45am about 50% of the time we are lucky to get back to sleep. Right now we are capping the am nap to ~45 min - 1 hour and usually getting ~ 1.5 hours in the pm. Capping the am nap has definitely helped ensure a longer pm nap, but no change in the EW. I was reading through some of this thread, there is soooo much to read, and I have seen it suggested that we should make DD hold out until 9:30am for that first am nap if she doesn't go back to sleep so that she can't "catch-up" on the missed sleep from the EW. I tried today but caved at 9:15 and by then she was clearly way OT and then I caved even more and BF to get her to have a nap at all. When I woke her up from the nap she was very grumpy and even cuddled with me on the couch and then I realized she had fallen back to sleep and I woke her up.  Up to this point I'd say DD's longest A time has been about 4hrs 15min... so trying for 9:30am is significantly going to overshoot that especially if she wakes at 4:45am. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

[creations]

Jilic hi and welcome to BW

I'd like to point you in the direction of Toddler Sleep which would be a more suitable board for you as your LO is 16 months.
If you click this link you will go to the toddler board
http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?board=34.0

Please feel welcome to join the 2-1 support thread there where you will meet mummies with LOs of a more similar age.
There are also lots of FAQs in the toddler board.  And feel free to post your own thread too if you have a question to ask.

Happy Whispering x

[creations]

green100 I would stick at the 4hr 15 for a couple of days to avoid an OT build up.  Then maybe push to 4hr 30 if you think possible but I would time it from WU rather than 9.30am iyswim.
I know those early wake ups are unpleasant but you don't want her to get more OT as OT can cause early WU!

[trimbler]

I'd like to point you in the direction of Toddler Sleep which would be a more suitable board for you as your LO is 16 months.

Oops! I guess I should be heading over there too, my DS is now the same age but I've been hanging out here since he was about 10mo! I guess I'll say bye once this thread ends, which must be in a couple of pages or so, right? Thanks for all your lunch tips, that will be useful when we finally make the switch.

Nuala, when our DS did this we always found the EBT to be vital - even if it did lead to EW the next morning, at least it wasn't an OT EW.

Green100 - 9:30 worked for us but only to stabilise the day's routine with 6:30 'get up', which we needed to do in order to work around other things, including the childminder's routine, from 11mo. But then when our DS had EWs at a similar stage along the 2-1 as yours is, they were usually no earlier than 5:30, and his longest As were also 4h - 4h 15min. So delaying his nap till 9:30 just meant that he wasn't going down UT, which is what we would usually aim for when capping the nap. When he did have an earlier WU I would sometimes let him nap a little earlier, and would usually cap it a little later than 'usual'. We did find that he took a few days or even up to a couple of weeks to get out of the OT/EW loop, so it certainly wasn't an instant fix but it was what we had to do in our circumstances. HTH?

Sorry to hear of all your poorly LOs, hope they get better soon!

PS Creations, I have to ask, did you make that egg/pram thing yourself - it's amazing!

[badpixie]

Hiya people! Need to read this thread, but just wanted to pop on first, thinking I need some hand holding and advice, and somewhere to have a bit of a moan

my 10mo is transistioning, he's a spirited with helpful streak of textbook. doesn't seem to need as much sleep as the average, with 40min sleep cycles, and 10.5hr nights. tinking he only needs 2hr 20 - 40min daytime sleep at the mo, cos more than that leads to NW. We're going for long am nap, and capping the 2nd nap at 1hr. Today he fell asleep on the boob at 8.30 and slept for an 1hr 20, so looking forward to another EW tomorrow.. boo

Anyway, gonna read over this thread and catch up with whats happening

At the mo, we're getting up at the bright and early time of 5.30, so going for an early bedtime of 5.30 tonight! a bit scared that he's be up at 4.30 tomorrow but he's getting obviously getting a bit tired, so don't want to descend into OT hell.