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« on: January 19, 2012, 15:59:13 pm »
Okay, so I have a 5 months old baby boy. (Also 2 toddler girls ages 3 & 4) My little boy has slept in my bed with me since he was born. He is BF with some solids every now and then. But for the past oh...id say 2 months I get horrible hip pain and back pain due to the fact i have to face my baby when we sleep because im nervous something will happen to him. Plus i BF him laying down so i can get some sleep too. And so, for the past week i have been trying to get him to sleep in his crib. He only sleeps in there for 30 mins if that. Last night i tried the CIO thing and I only lasted maybe 10 mins. I just felt so bad..Does that make me pathetic? My hubby thinks so..But i was crying i felt so bad..

Its weird, youd think id know what to do since i do have 2 older children. Although they didnt sleep in there crib till they were about 8 months old. One slept in a swing and the other slept with me.

the reason i have him sleep with me i guess you could call me lazy, since he is BF he wakes up ALOT during the night to feed. So its just so much easier to have him there already and whip it out and go back to sleep. He likes to be swaddled so i tried all that and it still doesnt matter. He use to take a pacy but he doesnt anymore..for some reason he refuses it.. (Im not complaining but yeah)

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We just got passed the whole nursing to sleep thing. The only way he use to go to slep would be nursing but we have overcome that! I am now able to walk around with him to get him to sleep. i know he should fall to sleep on his own, and i tired the whole PU/PD thing but thats really hard to do with my other children. Im also tracking his scheduel for today since we dont really have one. So to anyone who has other younder children running around please tell me how you do it!!

I guess i just feel lost. Hubby tells me to let him CIO..i say otherwise.. Im a SAHM so im with him 24/7.. Im the only one who gets up with him at night too. He just doesnt like his crib.. and as much as i would love for him to stay in bed with me its killing my hips and back let alone my own sleep.. So please, i need advice on tips to get him in the crib.. I really do not want to let him CIO it breaks my heart. But itf thats what i have to do i guess i will..

Things are just really hard with 2 toddlers running around and a baby. I do it all on my own, cook, clean, toddlers, baby, barley anytime for me let alone sleep.
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Re: Feels like a new mommy although i have 2 other children.
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2012, 03:48:23 am »
Really not one person has any advice??? :(

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« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2012, 06:12:57 am »
Firstly you are doing the right thing by not doing CIO, not only does this site in no way support CIO, there is also lots of research as to why it is damaging to the attachement of a baby & also with the stress hormones that are realeased when a baby is left to CIO. So give yourself a pat on your back that you really don't want to do it & that you did only last 10mins when trying it (& please for you little boy's sake make it the only 10mins)

Secondly at 5mo it isn't that he doesn't like the crib, it is that he doesn't understand why you want to do anything different, he quite simply understands the routine you have & wants that routine.

I think the first thing you have to do is really want him to sleep in the crib & decide where the crib will be & set that as something that won't change.
Then look at what your ultimate goal is... & give yourself a time frame... not 3 days, probably more the weeks frame & some how (& I know from a BTDT this is the hard part) you need to be prepared for a period of less sleep & lots of work not less.

Once you decide he is sleeping in his crib he doesn't go back into your bed. I'm a fair way past 5mo's but from memory solids aren't recommended until after 6mo, so just incase that is an unsettling factor (I know it was with one of mine) I'd stop them. I'm thinking he should feed around 7, 11, 3 & 7 & then 1 or 2 night feeds & should Nap 3 times during the day. once you decided he is in his crib you need to have most of your naps there, if they aren't there somewhere like the car or stroller are ok as long as they aren't in bed with you. So even if he only naps for 30mins you re-settle in the crib, at night you should be able to get 4hours between feeds, so you don't feed until at least 4hours from bedtime.

One of the things is that he needs to get used to a new settling routine, so you need to look at say 5mins that you can make workable with other children. Will your other 2 sit quietly & listen to a story & then go & watch TV while you settle your baby (I know TV isn't the best but it is short term KWIM) So if it was me (& I did this with 2 under 2) I'd sit & read a story with both children, then take the baby to his room & talk gently to him & pretty much get him to sleep in his crib. With both mine at that age I found I could cuddle them & gently rock in my arms & put them down & stroke their faces to relax them (if I got the right timing) But the key is to be calm, expect it to take a while & to have a routine that you can repeat that prepares him for sleep, telling him gently it is sleep time etc. To start with you really want to be with him until he is asleep, even if he sobs to sleep, once he gets to the point he goes to sleep without sobbing you can start trying to leave him to go to sleep from a calm state without you there.
Once you have your routine you need to do it 100% of the time you want him to sleep, day & night as if you take him into bed you are confusing him & that makes it harder on both of you & it will take longer. What he really needs is "practice" with the new routine to understand it. The only reason he doesn't like the crib is he is confused by it, he isn't getting to lie next to a nice warm Mum & sometimes he does & sometimes he doesn't. 



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Re: Feels like a new mommy although i have 2 other children.
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2012, 09:56:12 am »
I see you're getting great advice from Kate already. I just want to second the advice about not doing CIO. There is some great info on the General Sleep FAQS page about the dangers of CIO that it might help to show your dh to show him why it's really not a good idea. Have you read any of the Baby Whisperer books? Tracy often said wrt CIO that there is always a gentler way we just need to find it. Here are the FAQs links.
 http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=211289.0
 http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=222275.0
 http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=63839.0
 http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=163042.0
If you choose to co-sleep until you start the sleep training you may find it helps to put a small cushion between your needs and a large pillow allong your back to help support your joints when you sleep on your side.
Shh pat is the best technique to comfort your Lo while sleep training for the first time.
I have a 5mo and a 25mo and I normally set the 2yo up with a snack, Play doh, drawing or the tv while I settle the baby. Or I ask him to choose a book and wait for me in his room which I can see from our room with both doors open. It is hard and he doesn't always want to wait as long as it takes but I normally get 5 or 10 mins. Yours are a little older so perhaps they'll sit longer.
Do you have anyone like a mum, mil or friend who could help you for a few days? could your dh take the older 2 while you sleep train at the weekend?
Since he's ditched the dummy could you try leaving one arm out of the swaddle and giving him a blankie or muslin to suck on?
What do you think?

Oh and sorry you had to wait for a reply. Please bear in mind that all replies come from mamas who are just popping on with been there done that advice in between looking after their own children so it can take up to 24hrs sometimes to get a reply. We are a community of mamas offering advice and support to other mama's using baby whisperer techniques. Welcome. :)
« Last Edit: January 20, 2012, 10:01:50 am by *Ali* »
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« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2012, 17:51:44 pm »
Thanks for all the info ladies :)

I still feel lost though. I just got him to sleep by rocking him, got him into his crib and he was out. However 5 mins later he woke up. Screaming! He was really angry. I tried shhh/pat and that seemed to make it worse. So I picked him up and basically started all over again but he wouldn't calm down. Kept crying at the top of his lungs. Now I know I just made the mistake on nursing him back to sleep I know that was wrong but I felt out of options. Do I just walk around rocking him and let him continue to cry? Or do I try PU/pd? I did that last week and seem to make him really mad.

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« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2012, 18:08:03 pm »
Also is it possible he's a tummy sleeper? I know every one (mostly drs) are all about back to sleep. However the only way I can get him to sleep is on my chest, Straight up and down under my neck. If I try in the cradle hold he cries.

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« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2012, 20:04:08 pm »
Sorry you are having a tough time.  From your last post I am wondering if he has reflux (http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=654.0).  I found that M used to get really upset etc when he was OT.  If your LO is OT then use whatever props you need to get him to sleep.  When he is ready for a nap you can then try shh pat (I would try this for a while as PUPD is really hard work on you both - even now O responds to me patting the bottom of his feet; M used to like a hand on his tummy - neither really liked the shh part so I didn't do it).  If your LO does have reflux then PUPD wont work as it will make the reflux worse.

How do you get him to sleep during the day? Where does he sleep during the day? Is the issue only at night-times?  Do you have to walk around to get him to sleep for every nap? If this is the case then I think by helping him sleep more independently it will help with the nw-ings too (what a baby falls asleep with they expect to still be happening when they stir from a sleep cycle, which is approx 45 mins long).

Once we have ruled out reflux (or you have it controlled) then I would recommend getting your lo into his bed just before he is asleep, or gently rouse him so he isn't sound asleep when you lie him down.  Gradually you can decrease the time you are holding him for.  Having sleep cues helps, like going into his room, closing the curtains, etc - little routines that help him prepare for bed and are consistent so he knows what is coming.  With the older kids around, do you think background music in his room would help?

In terms of getting DS to sleep when the other kids are there, can you explain to them what you are doing and why, and what you would like them to do (when we were tackling nw-ings with O we explained it to M so that he wasn't upset by the noise etc as he knew it would be happening and why).
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« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2012, 20:24:23 pm »
I dont really think he has reflux..because he sleeps okay in my bed laying down. As long as im there anyways..He use to sleep in a swing or in a rocker chair thing. But im trying to get him to sleep in the crib. We just moved into a new apt with 3 bedrooms so he gets his own. (moved in xmas weekend) and i have been trying since then to get to to atleast take naps in there but it doesnt work. he will only sleep for 20mins tops..

I try to do the same thing each time i got to put him down for a nap.. i change him, wrap him up, and walk around singing twinkle twinkle in his room..takes about 20 mins sometimes longer..i could try putting on some music in his room for him and see how it goes..

im just wondering really how to start, so i do my normal thing excpet dont let him fall all the way to sleep, put him down when hes almost asleep and if he starts to cry do the shh/pat? And what if the crying continues?

i explained to my girls what was goiing on and what they should do and so far today has gone okay with them. but my LO has still only slept for maybe 40 mins.

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« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2012, 20:41:28 pm »
could you post a typical day, or how today went using EAS for us to have a look.  If he is having really short naps it could either be that he is OT/UT (looking at his EASY will show if this is the case), or that he is wakening expecting you to still be doing what you were doing to him when he fell asleep. 

Do you think shh/pat after his lovely sleep-time routine would work? This would be better than cuddling him to sleep.  If not, I would recommend trying to stop what you normally do just a little bit sooner so he is a bit more awake when you lie him down. 

If you feel he is wakening after 20 mins jolting can you go in and hold his arms etc gently so it doesn't disturb him. 

Do you think you are rushing in too soon when he stirs?

Once we look at your EASY then we will take it from there ....

p.s Forgot to say in my initial post that I know how hard it is with 2, so must be tougher with 3.  Being a SAHM Mum really is hard work. I hope that you manage to find some Y time during the day, even if it is 5 mins while DH is with the kids?
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« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2012, 20:57:58 pm »
Okay well every day is really different, and i dont usually write it down so ill try to give you todays

A 800
E 9
S 10/1030
A 11
E 1130
S 12
A 1230
E 100
S 240 had some success i suppose!! Changed him, swaddled him, walked around a bit, he got tired and closed his eyes, i waited mmm a few mins, and then layed him in the crib, he woke up so i just patted his bottom and sang twinkle twinkle, he cried a little but not too much, and within like maybe 5 mins he was sleeping :) So 2:40 nap in crib. lets see how long he sleeps for :)

And i dont really have a bed time i guess... everynights different.. I just kinda go by when hes tired.. Probably not the way to go and maybe why im havign issue but yeah...


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I may be rushing in to soon too.. I kinda feel if i get there sooner i may be able to calm him faster because hes still somewhat sleepy and if i let him cry itll only wake him up? does that make since?

As for me, I dont really get me time. I suppose maybe once every other day when i take a shower, and ever then my girls still come in for some reason.
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« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2012, 21:13:03 pm »
Just heading to bed so will have a look at your EASY (or someone more in the know about routine tweaking!) tomorrow - just wanted to say that rushing in too soon is a common mistake.  Give him a minute before going in to see if he is just self-settling. Listen to his cry and see if he really needs you, or if he is self-settling.  If you feel he gets too worked up then do go in and help him back to sleep (sorting out his getting-to-sleep-routine will eventually help this).

I used to go online (hence being on here so much) as soon as DH got home so he had to deal with the kids - gave me a little bit of "me" time without having to ask!  Depending on the age of your kids, can they have a time where they play in their room or watch a film so you can chill a bit? Once your DS is a bit older you will get more time to yourself.
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« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2012, 21:22:27 pm »
i just feel like ill never get it! went to sleep at 240 and is up again at 300. tried shh/pat for 5 mins did nothing contiuned to cry. am i giving up to soon?

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« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2012, 09:43:41 am »
I think your first thing is to start reducing the props to get him to sleep - have you tried shh pat from the beginning of getting to sleep?  If he is having a short nap then his next A time will need to be really short, but I would try to keep his E roughly every 4 hours (some times, if he is having short naps it may mean a feed before bed, but try to ensure he isn't totally asleep when you put him down). 

I would give him a minute to try to self-settle before you go into his room after a sleep cycle - some people find that going in to help actually disturbs them more.  I have to confess that I never extended O's naps when they were short (he often did longer naps so I knew he could transition) and I would just get him up and if he showed tired signs 5/10 mins later (As he usually did) I would put him back down to bed as I didn't have the energy to extend naps, and he went to sleep independently so it was the easier option!

If he is happy after the 45 mins then maybe that is all he needs for the time being.  If he is still upset/grumpy after that time then he needs more sleep, so do what you have to to get him to sleep then.

p.s. you WILL get there - it doesn't feel it just now but you will :-*
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« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2012, 10:22:35 am »
A really good way to work out how much time for sleep is to look at the average sleep needs for age I'm thinking 15-16hours at 5mo & then work backwards so if wake up is 7am & you get 3x40mins sleep then realistically you need to be looking at bedtime around 6pm.
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