NW's following 2hrly feeds for weight gain

[katie80]

Yeah, a little extra TLC is required when they've had their jabs You'll get him back on track, you're off to a great start!

Agreed on both accounts!

[Fr00tbat]

This is getting worse and worse- waking earlier and earlier- naps pretty perfect today, fed well and woke at 2230 and again now- this is worst night so far.  He is really restless and difficult to settle- he is really tired- crying for 1hr 40 mins- shushing not working- wants to be cuddled. We were better off a week ago

[Fr00tbat]

Has been nearly 2 hrs- now pecking and am sure he must be hungry now too- have decided to stop trying to settle and feed- i know am not supposed to stop pupd but am pretty sure he is now hungry!!

[katie80]

(((Hugs))), were the jabs just 2 days ago? I think it can be normal for symptoms to last up to 3 days. It sounds like he's in discomfort and PUPD isn't recommended when they're ill or in pain. Don't worry about stopping this one time, I think you did the right thing. Did you give meds again tonight?

[Fr00tbat]

No meds as settled really well initially and he doesnt like calpol v much!  Am really hoping this ends soon- he has been doing so well in day and soothing himself at night- then tonight happened- he wasnt brilliant wed night either- we had full meltdown between 5-6 as wouldnt settle.  I have a few questions ;
As we are having such a bad night- I assume I watch cues and pit him to bed earlier as required and slot in catnap if big gap at end of day??
What do I do tonight if he wont settle- wasnt really pupd as so upset he took ages to settle- on the couple of occasions he started to doze he startled awake despite my hand on chest. He really seems to hate the shushing and hand on vhest thing tjat worked beautifully until a week ago- suggestions??
This is so hard- feel we are getting nowhere and am making everything worse.

[katie80]

It does sound like he was probably uncomfortable again. You're not making things worse, don't worry.  Let's see what tonight is like and if the behavior continues, we'll try to get it figured out.

As we are having such a bad night- I assume I watch cues and pit him to bed earlier as required and slot in catnap if big gap at end of day??

Yes, if you can't get a CN, you need to do an early bedtime.  What has your EASY looked like the last few days?

He really seems to hate the shushing and hand on vhest thing tjat worked beautifully until a week ago- suggestions??

At that age, I turned DS on his side and patted his bum while I shh'd.  Or you could stroke his forehead and hum or sing softly.

[Fr00tbat]

Will try stroking head and humming etc and see. Was also considering a bit of calpol tonight. Easy based on following:
E.      0700              
S.      0845-1015(1hr45)
E.      1030 
S.      1200-1330  (1hr45)
E.      1330             
S.      1515-1645(1hr 45)
E.      1700
Bath.  1900 ( have to wait for daddy for this)
E.       1930 bed at 2000

Aiming for 90 min naps- definately happening more often - but he has to extend himself- i have been unable to do this- have tried to put a 30 min catnap in at 1730 when pm nap short, with variable success! Have had to add in a couple of top up feeds when awake a while but do it post nappy, pre nap not during settling period!

[katie80]

Ok, so your last A time is definitely too long there, which is likely playing a part in those very unsettled NWs.  He's got to be pretty OT by BT as his A time has almost doubled what it usually is. You either need to try and squeeze in a CN somewhere (maybe 20 min at 1830) or bring bedtime way back (at 1830/1900 latest). It sounds like you have a good bath routine going with dad, so I'd try for the CN. You'll be able to drop it pretty quick when you start to stretch the A times out to 2 hr or so.

Hope you had a better night!

[Fr00tbat]

Ok. Excuse my ignorance, but do his A times just lengthen naturally over time or do I need to assist?  Once he can do 2 hrs he moves to fully fledged 3.5hr easy with top up feeds as needed and shown in your suggestion.
Will add in catnap and see. No meltdown tonight and a bit more settled - slept 2000-0145, feed, 0222-0444, feed, should hopefully go through to 0700 now.

[becj86]

do his A times just lengthen naturally over time or do I need to assist?

This depends on the baby and how much you're able to read and follow his cues. If you're going off his cues with half an eye on the clock, you'll probably notice being quite natural. If you notice naps shrinking from 1.5hr down to 1hr15, its time to increase the A time as he's UT at naptime

[Fr00tbat]

Cat naps are still an utter failure- spend so long trying with late pm naps that nap time has well and truly passed- but he did sleep 2000-0330, 0400-0645 last night and has had 2 90 min naps today. It is just the late afternoon it becomes a real problem and am worried that he is going to get the message that mummy will give up if he just screams for long enough- what do I do??

[katie80]

Can you get 30 min in if you take him out in the stroller or run an errand in the car at that time?  Otherwise, his nights are going pretty well, really (they're just a bit on the short side), so maybe it's time to just start pushing the other A times during the day so they're more even and you might even get longer naps.  What do you think?

[becj86]

How old is he now, Fr00tbat?

[Fr00tbat]

18 weeks

[Fr00tbat]

Quick question- last few nights have been  a bit better- but last night and tonight woke at 0220- having been down 6hrs almost to the minute- taken full feeds both nights but worried as time exactly same- should I try to push this out?? Bit worried will end up with 2 night feeds again as will wake again at 0530.