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Re: am totally over these dinnertime antics
« Reply #15 on: June 26, 2012, 07:45:07 am »
I wonder if I could let him serve his own plate, so give him a pair of tongs and he can put the veges etc on his plate
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Re: am totally over these dinnertime antics
« Reply #16 on: June 26, 2012, 07:47:06 am »
I wonder if I could let him serve his own plate, so give him a pair of tongs and he can put the veges etc on his plate
Yeah great idea  :D It will make it fun and exciting

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« Reply #17 on: June 26, 2012, 08:25:53 am »
ok, will try that tomorrow night :)
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Re: am totally over these dinnertime antics
« Reply #18 on: June 26, 2012, 12:29:04 pm »
Just a thought here, but how is his behavior at the dinner table?  I mean, how does he act irrespective of the food aspect?  Does he talk a lot, get up and down in his seat, ask for drinks, etc?

Maybe in addition to this having to do with food, it also has something to do with getting your attention and keeping the focus on him?

My 4.5 YO is not a big eater.  When we sit down to family meals (which we only do about 3 times per week for a variety of reasons), it seems like ALL my attention is on her... cajoling her to eat, getting her a drink, listening to her talk.....and talk.  DH has had it and informed me last week that there are going to be new "rules" for her at the dinner table, up to, and including not allowing her to talk at all (like that is fair and reasonable).

Anyway, just some other thoughts.

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Re: am totally over these dinnertime antics
« Reply #19 on: June 26, 2012, 18:36:31 pm »
Hugs Hun, I have a friend whose lo needs dinner before 5. Otherwise he's too tired/wired to eat it... Have you tried an earlier meal?

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Re: am totally over these dinnertime antics
« Reply #20 on: June 26, 2012, 19:23:49 pm »
Sara - I have tried earlier meals, Ive tried as early as 4pm

His behaviour at the dinner table is pretty atrocious, up and down, asking for drinks, playing with his knife and fork, talking talking talking etc... Ive tried just ignoring it, he just continues. Ive even gotten to the point I screamed one day and banged the table i was just so over it. Ive had some people say they just want to yell at him themselves. some days i cannot make him sit in his chair for very long, if I dont pay enough attention he will just get up and walk over and start playing with his toys, or he will get something out of the drawers (like a mixing spoon etc) and bring it back to the table.

Im exhausted with this time of day
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Re: am totally over these dinnertime antics
« Reply #21 on: June 26, 2012, 20:17:55 pm »
I know you've said you've tried some of these things, but I'll add what we do just in case it helps.

We find our kids eat more if food is scarce. So for lunch (DH usually does lunch with them since he works from home and they love eating with him) if they are having a sandwich or toast, DH will do one piece and eat half himself and give the kids a quarter each. They will eat 1-3 pieces of bread each this way! Same at dinner time. A TINY portion of each thing and then when they finish we exclaim of what good eaters they were and would they seconds? Then we're in a positive mood and they exclaim how hungry they are and they want more.

If they don't want to eat, we offer to put it in the fridge for later (or sometimes they ask!). Then before teeth time we offer the food to them again. Usually they eat it all, but if they don't, that's it until breakfast.

If muesli bars etc are a problem I just wouldn't have them in the house (well not that he knows about if you want to eat them! ;)) and do different snacks. Fruit, veggie sticks, crackers, baking even.
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Re: am totally over these dinnertime antics
« Reply #22 on: June 26, 2012, 20:21:47 pm »
A TINY portion of each thing and then when they finish we exclaim of what good eaters they were and would they seconds? Then we're in a positive mood and they exclaim how hungry they are and they want more.
Yeah, such a tiny piece it is literally like 2 bites. And then they are sure to ask for more

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Re: am totally over these dinnertime antics
« Reply #23 on: June 26, 2012, 21:49:24 pm »
we dont have muesli bars in the house, but he just asks for them anyway. if I didnt give him a big breakfast and lunch he would literally nag me to death, Ive tried it before and Ive nearly exploded from the constant "im hungry, want food"
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Re: am totally over these dinnertime antics
« Reply #24 on: June 26, 2012, 22:06:18 pm »
we dont have muesli bars in the house, but he just asks for them anyway. if I didnt give him a big breakfast and lunch he would literally nag me to death, Ive tried it before and Ive nearly exploded from the constant "im hungry, want food"

This (& the comments about him being jack in the box) make me think he is like my DS2 & eats 90% of his food before 1pm... from my own experience while you are thinking he wakes early because he doesn't eat dinner (& that is part of why you want Dinner to be eaten) I can say that Biologically speaking he doesn't need that evening meal to sleep in later, it is his body clock that he wakes early & just "habit" that he wakes wanting food, yes he may be hungry because he is used to food at an early time, but that can be changed, but if he is someone who naturally is drawn to waking early, if he eats early it just repeats the habit... eating a big dinner or not won't (from experience & research here) change that... esp since the times DS2 slept late as a 3yo were often when he fell asleep at 4pm he woke at 7am rather than 5.30am.

If it was me, I'd set a timer, for 5mins (or even 2mins), he needs to sit at the table properly for 5mins, doesn't have to eat, but told he won't get other food, then if he wants to he can leave after 5mins BUT he can't interact with anyone at the table (so you talk about things he'd want to talk about) & you get on with Dinner without him. Then I wouldn't serve breakfast until 7.30am no matter what, pretty much so you can maybe break the habit of early waking for food -didn't work for us, he had breakfast at 8am, but still woke at 5.30am.
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Re: am totally over these dinnertime antics
« Reply #25 on: June 26, 2012, 23:50:30 pm »
hes not prone to waking early, he usually wakes at 6.30-7.30am but there are times when he wakes at 6am and i guess it just feels like hes asking for a long time for food and its very frustrating.

I will try the timer thing at the table. so while the timer is going do we just act normal? by the way I cant talk when hes gone, its just me and Levi at the table and by then Levi usually wants to get down cos hes finished (that boy has NO issues with eating lol)
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Re: am totally over these dinnertime antics
« Reply #26 on: June 27, 2012, 01:47:50 am »
Can I suggest the book "French Kids Eat Everything" to you?  I've recently read it and love it.  It doesn't address your situation 100%, but I think it would have some ideas to help you. 

I would personally eliminate all the hot button foods (crackers, museli bars, etc) from the house so that they are not an option and he knows that. 

I'd offer 3 meals a day + 1 afternoon snack and never allow any food at other times.  If he whines about being hungry, I'd cheerfully say, "Oh, good, (insert meal) will be served at (insert time).  Sounds like you'll be ready to eat.  Let's look at the clock to see when that is." 

It sounds like the whining is really about engaging you in a power struggle and key to conquering that is to refuse to engage by staying cheerful and matter-of-fact. 

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Re: am totally over these dinnertime antics
« Reply #27 on: June 27, 2012, 02:18:42 am »
It sounds like the whining is really about engaging you in a power struggle and key to conquering that is to refuse to engage by staying cheerful and matter-of-fact. 

I agree, actually it reminds me of a time when DS1 was about 3 & DS2 1yo & there was something going on & it was persistantly annoying me & someone said "yes but he knows he gets your attention" & it was at that point I realised that sometimes it was just about that the thing they "know" will engage you & kind of get an interaction going & they are the "focus" when other things in the day they aren't.

Another thing my sister used to do, was have a container of chopped veg & if her children said "I'm hungry" she'd say well you know it isn't a meal time but there are veg in the container... if they were hungry they ate if they weren't they waited.
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Re: am totally over these dinnertime antics
« Reply #28 on: June 27, 2012, 03:58:56 am »
Another thing my sister used to do, was have a container of chopped veg & if her children said "I'm hungry" she'd say well you know it isn't a meal time but there are veg in the container... if they were hungry they ate if they weren't they waited.
Great idea!

I'd offer 3 meals a day + 1 afternoon snack and never allow any food at other times.  If he whines about being hungry, I'd cheerfully say, "Oh, good, (insert meal) will be served at (insert time).  Sounds like you'll be ready to eat.  Let's look at the clock to see when that is."
This is what I do when DS1 asks for food 20mins after eating. Usually works quite well and teamed with the bowl of veges as snack idea could be a winner.

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Re: am totally over these dinnertime antics
« Reply #29 on: June 27, 2012, 08:26:46 am »
Avery, I know you have tried so many different things, and it must be really really frustrating for you.
A couple of things I've noticed with my own DS (OK he is younger but maybe it helps?):
- he will say he is hungry over and over but not actually be hungry, it is his way of trying to push the day on.  So for example if he feels tired in the afternoon he will keep saying he is hungry but once he is in his high chair he might eat nothing or one tiny sip of milk then indicate he is finished and try to get out of his chair.  I've worked out it is because he knows the order of our routine.  After his dinner/supper there is a play time (and time to go toilet) and then his BT routine begins.  So basically he is trying to hurry BT along.  I have noticed this in other ways too.
- he will fidget and show undesirable behaviour at the table if he needs the toilet.  I now ask him to have a try just before we sit down to eat so I know his bladder is empty and he is comfortable enough to eat.
- he eats most of his daily intake before 3.30/4pm.  Because of this we have our main meal (the 'family meal') at 3pm.  So, a reasonable to large breakfast, large morning snack (like an early lunch), then nap (wakes at 2.30), main meal at 3pm.  He eats well for all of these unless there is another problem going on.  Any asking for food after this I have worked out is more to do with moving on the day rather than real hunger (as above).  At 5.15 he gets supper which I hope one day might become the main meal, at the moment it is a small snack and a sippy of milk but like I said he doesn't eat much at all.  I keep offering at this time to maintain a dinner time habit and to ensure he has had an opportunity to eat if he is hungry.  He often has a piece of fruit or a quarter of crumpet or toast.  In many ways it seem not worth making but I do.
- his behaviour at the table and his ability to settle to eat is not good if he has not had enough attention and mummy time prior to the meal.  At times I've been so busy and hurrying to get the meal ready that he has been playing on his own and asking for attention and/or asking for food (or asking for food to get attention) and I just focus on getting the meal done thinking he is hungry...then he eats nothing and is unhappy at the table.  I now try to sit with him and give some individual attention just prior to the meal, read a book or something, or include him in the food prep, some way to fill his love cup before we eat.

I am always reminding myself that when a LO is attention seeking it is because they need attention.  We have to work out what sort of attention they are lacking.  It could be that he is asking for food all day because this is a way to get your attention, maybe allocating ten mins for some one on one play (a game of his choice, not yours) would fulfill his need for attention rather than having this battle over biscuits/hunger/not eating.  The thing is once LO is nagging for food it is draining on our energy and we most likely don't feel like playing or giving positive attention so for this reason I try to remember to quickly change the focus of attention and encourage both of us to be playful instead.

I think like pps have said LOs don't really need to take their food in in the evening, so it looks to me like there is some other issue with him nagging for biscuits rather than hunger.
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