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Early wakings worried this will continue forever!!
« on: June 25, 2012, 13:34:44 pm »
My LO is 5.5 months old and he was sleeping from 7pm to about 6.45-7ish (with wake-ups for feeding then straight back to bed) but for the last month he has been waking between 4.30 & 5.30 am and we are having difficulty getting him back to sleep. I have tried adjusting the amount he sleeps during the day and the time he goes to bed but this does not seem to help. I am not sure now if lack of consistency has affected this as well or if it is because he can't get himself to sleep?
We follow E.A.S.Y and now depending what time in the morning he wakes up at between eating & activity he is awake for 2-2.5 hours. In the morning it is closer to 2 hours and later in day I can usually stretch til 2.5 hrs. He has 3 sleeps a day totaling about 3-4hrs. I don't let any sleep be longer than 2 hours (when he is awake at 4.30 sometimes that first sleep is the 2 hrs becuase he is so tired on occasion I have let him sleep 2.5). Usuaully the first two sleeps are longer and last one is about 45mins and I try not to let him sleep much past 4.30 then bedtime routine and bed for about 7pm. He falls asleep on his own, sometimes we have to go in and give him a ssh pat and give him his pacifier but then he drifts off. He usually wakes twice for feedings then goes straight back to sleep.
When he wakes at 4.30 or 5.30 I have tried feeding him but he just wakes up right away. I have also tried ssh pat and sometimes get him back for 20 mins or so. If he is happy I have left him in his crib to play for a bit in hopes of him drifting back but this usually never happens. I am now worried that this is not just a stage as many people have told me. Any ideas or suggestion would be greatly appreciated!!

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Re: Early wakings worried this will continue forever!!
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2012, 01:58:44 am »
It sounds like he is likely UT. It might be difficult with an EW, but I'd try to push that morning A time a bit, 10-15 min every few days to see if you can't get it to 2.5 hr.  Hopefully, he'll still do a nice, long nap and the EW will start to disappear.

Just for my sake, so I make sure I'm not reading things wrong, would you post a typical EASY (or your last couple days) in EAS format, please?  So, like this...

W and E 5:30 am
A
S 7:30 - 9:30 am
E 9:30 am
A
Etc etc...



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Re: Early wakings worried this will continue forever!!
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2012, 02:34:55 am »
The last two days have not been typical for him with naps. They have been a bit shorter but here has been his days. I should mention that he is teething,is rolling over much more these days and has started sitting up, we are still working on it but he is getting stronger everyday.

Yesterday
5.30 wake up
E 5.40
A
S 7.45 -8.30
E 8.45
A
S 11.00-12.30
E 12.45
A
he fell asleep in the car home about 2.45 for 10 mins and then would not go back down when we got home.
bath 6.30
bottle 6.40
bed 6.50 and straight to sleep.
He woke at 9.45, I think he had some tummy troubles. he was up til 10.30.
BF 1.30
4.30 awake see below
Today
He woke up at 4.30 & I fed him and then til 5.30 I used pick up put down to get him back to sleep. He slept til 6am. So I am not sure that this counts.
E 6.15
A
S 7.25-8.50
E 9
A
S 11.30 -12.45
E 1
A
S 3.15 -4
E 4.30
A
Really had to stretch to get him for bath at 6.20, he was very grumbly by this point.
6.45 bottle
7 bed & although he was very tired, I think it took him about 20 mins to fall asleep.
I BF throughout the day but just before bed he gets a bottle.
I will have to let you know in the morning what his night was like. Fingers crossed that is not a 4.30 am again.

If he did sleep 12hours at night how long should he sleep during the day? Should he still be on 3 naps a day?
Any suggestions you can give would be wonderful! I have been trying to nap with him during the day but these early mornings have been difficult and I am worried they will continue.
thanks so much!!

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« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2012, 16:31:05 pm »
Not such a good night. He woke at 11 so I fed him in hopes of him sleeping longer but he still woke at 1 and then at 3.40. I heard him just after 4 but he must have put himself back to sleep and then he was up at 5.15 playing happily in his crib. I would be good with him waking and being up for the day at 6. 11 hours of sleep would be good but I just can't get him past 5.30 anymore. We were both very exhuasted this am and he went back to sleep at 7.30 til 9.25 when I got him up.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated!!

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« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2012, 19:38:50 pm »
Ok, I think he's actually OT.  Teeth are also notorious for causing EWs and sometimes shorter naps as well, so they are likely playing a part. I do still think he's ready for a bit of a push in A times, getting to 2.25-2.5 hr first thing in the morning and then another 2.5 hr after that.

As for the last two days, because of the short naps in the afternoon, his bedtime should have been brought forward a bit. That long A to bed is likely causing OT and thus the frequent NWs (along with teeth) and the EWs. Two days ago, after the 10 min nap in the car, I would have done BT at 6 pm, and yesterday, I wouldn't have gone later than 6:30 pm.  2.5 hr A after a 45 min nap is still pushing it a bit for a 5.5 mo old, and the day was really long since it started at 6 (after an hour awake not too much earlier). I know it's a bit daunting to put a LO to bed that early, but it usually doesn't make them wake earlier.  Most babies will actually sleep better and longer on an earlier BT, because they are not OT.

If he did sleep 12hours at night how long should he sleep during the day? Should he still be on 3 naps a day?
Yes, he should still be on 3 naps a day.  Once his A times get closer to 3 hr, he'll start to drop that CN, for most babies between 6-7 mo. With three naps, if they are full (meaning 2x1.5-2 hr naps, plus a CN) he'll probably only need 11-11.5 hr night sleep.  When he drops the CN, that will likely move back closer to 12 hr. Ideal daytime sleep at this age is 3-4 hr with nights being 11-12 hr.

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Re: Early wakings worried this will continue forever!!
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2012, 20:24:18 pm »
Following along as we are getting some EW too at 5.5months

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« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2012, 23:12:17 pm »
ok thanks. I will put him down earlier tonight as he had a 45 min catnap today which was over at 4.30 and his second nap was also only 45 mins so I will try the earlier to bed and let you know how it goes.
Should I wait til I get his sleep straightened out before I work on the NW? I have been reading the different methods to help with that.
thanks again!!

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« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2012, 00:22:45 am »
One more question should I be waking him after a 2hour nap or let him sleep?

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« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2012, 01:10:18 am »
Should I wait til I get his sleep straightened out before I work on the NW?
You know, as long as he's an independent sleeper, once the routine gets worked out the NW might resolve on their own.  In the meantime, use some shh/pat to settle and stay away from a lot of AP, so there isn't anything hindering him down the road.  At 5.5 mo, 2 NFs is still very normal. 

One more question should I be waking him after a 2hour nap or let him sleep?
Yes, typically you don't want one single nap to lessen the sleep drive for others, so waking at 2 hr is a good idea.  You can let him go longer for the pm one if the morning was short (i.e. 30-45 min), but even then I'd don't think I'd let him go over 2.5 hr as you don't want it to interfere with night sleep.

Hope you get a better night with the EBT. :)



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« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2012, 19:01:38 pm »
Last night my DS went down at 6.25. He fussed a bit & had a few little cries and settled about 20mins later. He slept brilliantly until 12 woke up had a feed and went straight back to bed. He then woke at 3. I fed him and he was wide awake. I tried to feed him a bit on the other side while rocking him but still wide awake. I put him in his crib and he played & rolled around and had a few tired cries. I kept trying to settle him with ssh time to sleep but this continued for an hour. I covered his eyes with my hand and rubbed the bridge of his nose but still wide awake. He then started to cry more as he got tired and the only thing I could do was hold him & rock him a bit to get him to sleep. He finally fell back asleep at about 4.40 til 6.15. Should i have used ssh pat to get him to sleep or pu/pd?
Today:
W 6.15
E 6.25
A I tried to keep up til 2.25 hours as you suggested but he was miserable & yawning by 7.30. I got him til 8.20
S8.20-10.05
E 10.15
A
S12.25

I have been reading more on the boards and I am becoming very overwhelmed by everything. I am starting to question everything I do with him and maybe this is why he is not sleeping at night or having EW. Maybe he is over stimulated or under stimulated or not eating properly. Maybe I am putting him to sleep wrong (he always has a bit of a cry before he sleeps, he knows when it is time for bed and it seems no matter how calming I try to make it he has just a few minutes of a cry). Or when he wakes I am not getting him back to sleep properly or I am not being consisent. I am just feeling like I can't get it right.

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« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2012, 19:40:21 pm »
(((Hugs))) hon, you can only do your best and that is what you're doing.  The more you read, the more overwhelming it can get sometimes.  These forums are great, I obviously beleive in them, but if you're anything like me, you start to think that everything must be perfect in order for your LO to sleep and in all reality, life is not perfect and babies do learn how to sleep! So, keep following his cues and using the information you have and just do your best with it.  It's fine if he cries a bit before bed, as long as you're not leaving him alone to do it.  Some LOs just use that as a means of releasing some extra energy etc, before they can settle to sleep.  Have you taken the 'Know Your Baby Quiz'? http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=52283.0 That may shed a bit of light on his personality.

As for the NW at 3, I'm guessing he likely wasn't hungry since you'd just fed him at 12.  It sounds like it was a bit of discomfort from the teeth (doesn't mean he's necessarily crying in pain, but just can't settle back to sleep) or developmental (working on the rolling, etc).  I would've used shh/pat to settle him.

And, good job for stretching him a bit this morning.  He likely couldn't make it all the way to 2.25 hr because of the long NW, so it was right to listen to him.  But, if you would've put him down at 7:30, I doubt he'd have done that nice long nap.  Keep working on it, you'll get there. :)



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« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2012, 00:10:49 am »
Thank you for the advice and for the reassuarance, its just been a difficult few weeks. These forums are wonderful for all the support & advice.
I had done the quizz and he is mostly a grumpy/touchy baby. I will keep trying to stretch his morning time a bit and then listening to his cues and see if I can get rid of the EM.
He had a short mid day nap but a later pm nap so we'll see how is going for a BT. Wish me luck with the night

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« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2012, 03:27:18 am »
Good luck! :)

I wondered if he wasn't a bit touchy when you described the crying before bedtime. I think that's really common for touchies, maybe grumpies too.



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« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2012, 13:42:58 pm »
Last night I think was the worst night we've had. He had good sleeps yesterday so I put him down closer to 7. He woke up at 11 and I tried ssh pat and he had the biggest breakdown ever. He didn't just cry he screamed and so I picked him up and he conitued to scream and pull my hair and wave his arms and throws his head back for 30mins. I finally got him calmed down and back to bed. he woke just after 1 ate and went back to bed. He was up again at 3.30 & went back to bed fairly easily then awake at 4.30. I tried ssh pat but he would have none of it so i did pu/pd. I got him to sleep but then he woke up 10mins later. Did it again and again he woke up this time maybe 5mins later. That was about 5.30 so we have been up since then. I guess he was still OT when I put him to bed. Tonight I guess I will just have to try him to bed early again even if he has good sleeps during the day. Do you think that is what I should do?

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« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2012, 19:33:51 pm »
He was up again at 3.30 & went back to bed fairly easily then awake at 4.30. I tried ssh pat but he would have none of it so i did pu/pd. I got him to sleep but then he woke up 10mins later. Did it again and again he woke up this time maybe 5mins later. That was about 5.30 so we have been up since then.
This along with the really unhappy wake at 11 pm sounds like discomfort to me.  Have you tried giving him pain meds for the teething?

What did your day look like yesterday?

(((Hugs))) for the rough night!