ew 16mo

[Khalam's Mama]

I have been using Pupd to wean some ew. I have been doing it for weeks and we are now not feeding at ew but he is still waking daily at 5 or 5.30 and settles in a few minutes. I would just really like him to stop waking.
He is almost on one nap but gets ot with more than 2 days in a row only one nap. He rarely takes longer than 1.5 hrs. Before 11 he takes 1.5hrs and after 11 it will be less. His Wu is 6 to 6.30 am and his bt 6 or 7 depending if he has one or 2 naps.
I am considering w2s but not sure i can stir him without waking him. Also thinking I should iron out the routine.

[*Becky*]

what happens if he has a 15 min am nap and then a longer pm? Does that help at all? M is the same, she cannot do more than 2 days on 1 nap atm without getting OT.

[Khalam's Mama]

He is just awful when I wake him so we tend to do short pm. I did 15min today so will see. I find he wakes the same time every day whatever his naps so I find it hard to judge. It also doesn't fit with my schedule to do long pm.

[*Becky*]

ok so maybe long am and then a 15 min pm will work....it sounds like his A times just need to catch up a bit. We started 1 nap at 13 months but 2 months later and she is still not there.

[Khalam's Mama]

He can do a long A without to much stress but he gets ot I guess because he wakes early from it. If he would just do 2hrs or more he would be ok. Soon I will have K's nursery run to battle too.
Tonight he took a while to settle at bt and think I did bt too early.

[Khalam's Mama]

Ew at 5.20 then slept to 8.10! Don't know what that was about? Will do w2s tonight.

[~*Nicole*~]

We are having the same thing! However, we are feeding at EW b/c it was easier when it started and a way to get more calories into my boy who won't eat enough during the day. But now I think it is perpetuating itself b/c he gets those calories, plus the habit of waking at that time, doesn't take more calories during the day and continues the habitual waking. I need to break this before work starts next week!!!

We are also teetering between one nap and two. Mostly we were doing one, but we went away for the week to the shore and he's been running on OT from short napping or doing two catnaps while walking in the stroller or going for a ride in the car and so I have to catch him up before he'll be back on one nap again. I think OT def. makes it easier to wake at that early 5 am ish time. He will usually go back to sleep if I give that bottle, but if not then he's up for the day at the early time! Ick.

[Khalam's Mama]

I was lucky that when we 1st started to wean the nf at ew he did go back to sleep. I had to do it when dh was around in case he didnt and I knew I could catch up.
After the 8am Wu he short napped so had 2. My mum said he went down 11.20 which is a short a time but later than he normally goes. Not sure why he slept in though whether he needed to catch up then was ot from later nap? Hard to say when I wasn't there. Dh has them tomorrow. Not sure what to advise.?

[Khalam's Mama]

So I did w2s at 4am, I heard b call out for his nana at 5.30 and then we all slept again until 6.20. So Good start. I will do it a week or so and fx that will be that.
Will let dh work out nap I guess.

[*Becky*]

good lucK KM - sounds like a good start x

[Khalam's Mama]

Hmm that only worked once. Other days he has woken 5.40 and mostly refused to go back to sleep.
It has been 5days now. Not sure what to do?

[clairebear79]

KM - what time is he napping most days?  We had an issue with EW at same age as your DS.  At the time, my DS started waking around 5.30am, he was napping 11/11.30am for up to 2hrs & bed 6.30ish (earlier if nap was shorter).  We were constantly doing early naps & EBT to try & prevent him getting OT from his EW & I eventually learned this was actually fuelling it.  What we did was very slowly, push DS's nap later, by 15mins per week.  I let him sleep 2hrs max & did BT 5hrs later.  So:

Week: 1 Nap: 11.15-1.15  BT: 6.15
Week: 2 Nap: 11.30-1.30  BT: 6.30
Week: 3 Nap: 11.45-1.45 BT: 6.45
Week: 4 Nap: 12.00-2.00 BT: 7.00

In the first couple of weeks there were some days when he still woke early & he had a 7hr A before his nap, and he short napped, but we stuck with it & eventually his bodyclock 'clicked'.  It was tough, & maybe not the preferred route for everyone (since it does push them to the brink of exhaustion), but it really did work.  We found we had to get him to a 12.30pm nap for 2hrs & a 7/7.30pm BT in order to see a radical improvement in his EW.

HTH.x

[clazzat]

I think that you have struggled with his routine forever, is that right? I wonder if perhaps it's not a routine issue, but just a habit. When we had ew issues with e, we decided to stop feeding her first thing and teach her that she needed to sleep later. We gave her a light on a timer, initially set to about 15 minutes after she normally woke up; the first morning I went through when she woke up, told her it was still sleepy time and stayed with her until the light came on. When it did, I made a big deal out of it being morning and we got up. It took 3 mornings for her to understand - the 3rd morning she watched until the light came on then pointed at it and held her arms up! I think she was 17ish months, but I bet that b would get it if you tried it. I am waiting for x's last tooth to cut and I will do it for him as well - we haven't had any problems at all with e since we taught her about the light.

[Khalam's Mama]

Thanks girls. It was 5.46 today so slowly creeping later.
I am slowly pushing the nap later Claire. It is a struggle when he only does 1hr10min if it is later than 11 to do one nap though. He has managed 1 nap the last few days do hopefully wr are getting there.
On days I work it is esp. hard because HR sleeps with any buggy or car ride. I carried him 20mins today to prevent a second nap late in the day.
Yes Claire we have always struggled with his routine and it does not make a lot of difference what I do to tweak. It was nw but I think these ew are even more annoying.
I will cont with the w2s at least a week since the Wu is slowly slipping later and keep pushing the nap later too and just keep pushing through to bt.
I did put him down at 6.15 tonight though. He usually sleetps better with ebt so gets more sleep. He has cried out with ot several times already.

[j.and.e]

In my house 6pm bt wud always = 5am wu! I think u are doing the right thing to push nap and bt later. Then if u can resettle the Ew u can get on a better routine. I think is normal to short nap during 2-1, so 1.5hr sounds gd xx