Making it to three hours!

[ZacsMumme]

Hugs, I think you maybe putting her down too soon and she infighting you from being Ut. Then getting OT in the process what time was her WU this morning andwhen did you attempt the first nap?
As pp have said, with reflux or the possibility of it there is not, much use trying to sleep train as such. You can start of APing ie rocking, then try to finish off in the cot with patting on the bottom or something like that. Is her cot elevated?
Any paci use? Swaddle?

[Melsie]

I tried swaddling a long time a go but she used to fling her arms and legs everywhere. I now realise that I was always doing it when she was OT (i had no idea about that until i read the BW). Anyway, I tried it today and it worked beautifully, although she did only sleep for forty minutes and then i had to re sleep her and hold her again. She has been having gaviscon for two days now and is more settled and our EASY (still without the Y) is going better. However, she still wakes when i put her down (other than the forty minute swaddle experiment) and won't go in her push chair or car for longer than five minutes. If i put her to sleep and put her in these she wakes up and cries.

This is yesterdays EASY

E  7.30 - 8.00
A  8.00 - 8.30
S  8.40 - 10.30 (10 mins to settle but held whilst sleeping)

E  10.30 - 10.50
A 10.50 - 12.00
S 12.15 - 1.50  (15 mins to settle)

E  1.50 - 2.20
A  2.20 - 2.30
S 3.55 - 4.30

E  4.30 - 5.00
A  5.00
S 5.30 - 6.00 (EXTRA UNSETTLED)

E  6.30 - 7.00
A  7.00 - 7.30
S  7.30 - 9.30

Then woke at 12.30, wouldn't take dummy so fed a little, same at 2.30 and 4.30 when she had a good feed.


Today

E 7.40 - 8.15
A 8.20 - 9.20
S 9.30 - 10.50 (WOKEN BY JABS  )

E 11.15 - 12.00
A No activity time
S 12.00 - 2.10

E  2.10 - 2.50
A 2.50 - 4.00
S  4.00 - 5.20 but woke and had to be resettled

[ZacsMumme]

Could she be in a GS or have wind? Wind aggravates reflux too
Hows it going today Hun? How long has she had a 1 ht first A?

[Melsie]

Hi, I do spend a long time winding her. Sometimes she brings up but other times she doesn't. I probably spend about ten minutes winding. Should I spend more?  It's been an okay day in that she has been fairly contented whilst in. However, when I had to pop to town she screamed all the way there in the car and wasn't any happier in her push chair    I wouldn't mind but I only ever go out to buy things for her!! 


I did not understand some parts of your post: What is GS? and 1 ht first A?

[becj86]

GS = growth spurt (there often is one around 3 months)
1ht first A = 1 hour first A time - babies of 12-13 weeks are usually awake for 1.5hr or so before going down for a nap, so her nap of 40mins may be because she's undertired when you put her down. It could also be developmental.

Since she's a spirited little miss - can she see anything while she's in the carseat/pram? DS HATED the carseat til we turned him around and he could see out the window (Not saying you should do that, as it is safer to be rear-facing and probably illegal to have her front-facing). He was somewhat less upset by it when I took out all the 'comfy' but not required for safety padding - less restrictive of movement, so he could kick and wriggle a bit. DS hated the pram too til we could sit him up so he could see, even then he still didn't like it much but the screaming didn't start immediately. On the other hand, if you have more than one or two toys on either the carseat or the pram, there could be overstimulation at play.

[Melsie]

It's interesting you ask about the activity time. Since reading about babies getting over tired I have put her down within the hour because she seems to get grumbly at twenty mins to half an hour after feeding but now I think the grumbles may be down to reflux (she did not have gaviscon yesterday morning - started after 3rd feed because I had to collect it) Her contented awake time was more after that. Today up and down but she did have jabs? The gaviscon does seem to be helping, although I hate filling her little timy body with it so much

However, the car seat and push chair, I just despair!! Will spirited babies always hate them? I love walking but I cannot go anywhere! I gave up on the pram and put her in the push chair. On our first journey she seemed to like it but now she lasts five minutes unless she is already tired, then she just screams. If I am lucky I can put her to sleep and lay her in the push chair but she will cry when she wakes up and then I am stucj with a crying baby that wants to be picked up and an empty push chair. I am practically housebound! Why won't she sleep in a nice comfy push chair but she will slepp in a baby bjorn carrier??

[becj86]

Put her in the carrier - she's upright rather than lying down in the push chair and that'd be reflux-related.

When she has the jabs, she's not sick, but she will feel sick as the jabs are creating an immune response, to build up a bank of antibodies against those illnesses.

However, the car seat and push chair, I just despair!! Will spirited babies always hate them?

So do, some are ok once they can sit up and see what's going on. DS looks like a king surveying his kingdom from his chariot nowadays

I found it helped to think of the meds this way: If I had heartburn that was constant and making me miserable, I'd take something to soothe the burning. If I had a toothache that prevented me from sleeping, I'd take something to take the edge off. So that's what I'm doing when I give DS meds for teething, taking his pain away, not poisoning him.

[ZacsMumme]

What about a paci? Does she take one? It may help with the reflux discomfort, and I found it a godsend in the car. Screaming while driving is hell!

Totally agree with all becs advice!

[Melsie]

Thanks, I know that's true about the meds. I can see it's making a difference and there is no way I would leave her in discomfort if I can help her. She does take a paci but always pops it out when driving in the car because she is screaming so much. I have tried sitting her up in push chair and using car seat carrier so we can go for walks. She really seems to hate all of them after five mins  I don't know whether to persevere and help her to get used to them which will involve tears or just give up for the time being and use the bjorn baby carrier which she does like. If I do that though I worry that she will never take to her travel system and that's going to be very impractical?!

[becj86]

If she likes the baby bjorn, maybe get yourself an Ergo or something that supports her from knee to knee and doesn't have her hanging from her crotch and can be worn til she's older/heavier. Its a great way to lose that baby weight if you're still needing to - your walking suddenly burns more, then there's no need to carry the pram everywhere and she can even go on your back like a piggyback but you've got your arms free (if she likes that... DS didn't).

I eventually stopped taking the pram around because I ended up carrying DS and pushing the pram around one-handed There was no point having him in there screaming - he wasn't going to like it just because he was in it more. Honestly, I found the Ergo more convenient than the pram (though it may not be so flash if its hot...) and I was carrying a 10kg spirited toddler.

I've seen some babies with motion sickness - just get nauseous being in cars/on boats, etc. She could be one of those.

[cre8trixx]

Do you have spirited ones aswell?

Thought DD2 was textbook with some touchy mixed in but now I'm not so sure. May have to retake that quiz for both kiddos...DD1 certainly feels spirited @ nearly 3yo!

[ZacsMumme]

hugs. I never got my lovely pram walks as Z just hated it too
WRT the car I found singing to Z helped...have you tried that?

[Melsie]

I have tried singing, she screams so loud I am pretty sure she can't hear me. As she is spirited, I have tried removing toys and even covering slightly with muslin cloth so she is not over stimulated by surroundings. I always end up with her in the baby bjorn carrier! With the car she is happy for a little while but it seems that when she is tired she just screams. I even try to put her to sleep before she goes in the car seat or push chair but she just wakes up the minute i put her down.

[ZacsMumme]

Hugs, these spirited and touchies are tough when little
Ok so ... Have you tried going into a dark room, with white noise, with swaddle, paci if she has one and doing some shh and or patting on back or bottom while rocking for a bit to calm, then finishing off in the cot?

What first A time are you trying now and how many weeks is she?

[Melsie]

I have tried all of those things and they seem to work in the evening (although it can still take me an hour or more to settle her) but not through the day. I am so anxious for her to get her naps as she is a grump a lump when over tired that I just end up holding her while she sleeps through the day after trying a few times to put her down. She is thirteen weeks now. Now she seems more settled due to gaviscon her activity time has increased to an hour and fifteen to an hour and a half (that is including feeding)