How to approach 2-1 transition

[Truly Blessed]

Oh Dear, sounds just like my boy LOL  are you trying to get away from the rocking or are you happy to try it in case it can get him back over  I would probably give it a go. Otherwise I think it will be a case of get him up but stick to the same nap time 

What do you think 

x.

[laragirl]

Well i have actually tried both, i let him scream every morning until he went back to sleep for about a week and a half and nothing changed and instead he was waking my 4yr old.  But i wasn't being consistent with his naps or wt, so maybe that might make a difference. Anyways so then i went to just rocking or holding him for that last hour in the morning but then after a while it started to feel that he was expecting me to come if it was after 5am because he was getting up almost same time regardless of what time he was put down for bed the night before. 

[Truly Blessed]

Did you stay with him when he woke  With DS I would sit on the floor, but TBH once he was awake he was awake if he had any more than 10 hour sleep, but that has changed so there's always hope 

How was today Hun 

x.

[laragirl]

Happy New Year!  Hope you and your family is enjoyed the holiday.
Last night was AMAZING, no nw and he slept 11.5hr straight til 6:20am!! Of course i was up at 5:30, because my body has become used to being awake but i'll take lying in bed with no screaming child. He did have a shorter nap of only 1.08hr but i did not need to pat him at the 35min mark!!
So now i put him down for nap after a 5.15 wake time, we will see what happens.  But i am wondering if his total sleep needs are 12 1/2hr, cause the two nights and days that he did well thats what the total was but i think thats a little low?? Or maybe it still needs time to change or settle??  I just don't want problems later to happen because of accumulated OT that right now he is able to cope with because its only a little bit of sleep that he is missing, make sense??

[Truly Blessed]

Hi Hun, I'm so pleased he had a good night. LOL at lying there waiting for him to wake BTDT  . Honestly, I think he probably could do with 13 hours in 24 sleep, but you won't see for sure until you have stuck with the routine for a while longer  .  It may be that because of the super night he wasn't tired enough for a long nap, but I would say that doesn't mean it will always be that way once he gets used to STTN again, and plays CU. IME sleep always begets sleep and how great that he transitioned though the 35 min mark for his nap  .

What's the update 

I completely understand what you're saying BTW 

Happy New Year to you too!

x.

[laragirl]

So he woke from nap today at 50min mark, i resettled him(2min) then he after a total of 1hr 30min.  Which gives total sleep 13hr with his 11.5hr last night.  But now i don't know when to put him down for bt.  I would think bt would be 12.5hr after morning wake time that way it adds to 24hr with a 11.5 hr night , but other days that he slept a total of 13hr and i put him down at 12hr  20 min from morning wake he only slept 10hr the next night, but his naps during the day were shorter. ie:
wt 6:42 (bt was 6:53)  n 12:09-1:19 bt 7 then he woke at 5am.  So then today should i do a 13hr day?? But then doesn't that make for a shorter night , i mean then the days will rotate with short night/long nap and long night/ short nap??Making sense?? Cause i have run into this problem before where bt or wt gets earlier but the total amount of sleep is still same just keeps shifting earlier and earlier.  I know its going to take time , just looking forward to having some consistency. Agh....

[Truly Blessed]

It sounds like that UT/OT loop. If you stick with a 12.5 hour day on less than a 1.5 nap and a 13 hour day on any more it should balance things out. Sounds like he is sometimes going down UT leading to a short night which leads to OT hence the short nap. Otherwise the routine will be shifting around, does that make sense Hun  Remember that accumulated OT can run side by side with him being under tired for today/the day in hand, with that in mind it can be easier to figure out.

x.

[laragirl]

ok i think i am getting it.  But i just never thought of him being UT for the night because he usually takes a 1.15hr nap so i think he is OT and keep wanting to put him down early but the days he naps short he usually has had a long night.  It looks like his sleep needs to be divided up more with having shorter night and then having a longer nap.  We will see what happens tonight, i am going to try to put him down between 7:05-7:20pm.
Thank u so much!

[Truly Blessed]

You know him best Hun, I'm just spouting theory but I'm not there to see him, so I'm sure you're right. It sounds like you know your little fella really well 

Good Luck!

x.

[laragirl]

he did not have a good night. I put him down at 7:17 and had nw at 8:07/11:20 (for 30 min)/ 5:30 (sleep was very fragmented) then woke at 6:20am .  So i'm thinking OT?? Guess i should of put him down earlier and 13hr day was too long with a 1.5 nap??
Also i have moved his nap to only 5hr after wake up because i noticed that he slept through the 30min mark and it was easier for him to go back to sleep.  But then that leaves a little bit longer time before bt, would that make a difference?

[Truly Blessed]

Guess i should of put him down earlier and 13hr day was too long with a 1.5 nap??

It looks that way Hun. It's tricky because as you say if his nap is earlier, then he has a longer A time to BT, so yes, that would make a difference. But, if you shorten the day on a decent 1.5 nap then you're possibly going to get earlier mornings, and once again no consistency  .

The choices I guess, are to stick with it until he adjusts, or go with a shorter day and hope that he will tack on sleep to get a better WU  It's a tough call. I would agree that NW that early on are probably OT  .

x.

[laragirl]

i am going to stick with the routine and wait. Unfortunetly we are going on a vacation for a week and who knows what will happen then, but i am going to try to still get him to bed at a decent time. 
I think you may have mentioned before, but what are the core things to keep consistent?  I was thinking nap at 5hr after wake up.  Then do i keep a consitent bt or hours awake after nap?

Last night was ok just had an early wu at 5:30, but that was 11hr straight sleep.  Then he slept again and then i woke him at 6:40am, so total was little under 12hr last night, for nap today i could barely keep him up, we will see what happens.

[Truly Blessed]

If you can keep him on track on holiday you are a better Woman than I am  I would expect things to go wonky, so just enjoy yourselves and try not to stress. You have to try of course, but depending on how active he's been things may change as to how long his A times are.

Just trust your instincts Hun and above all have fun 

x.

[laragirl]

ok i'm back.  Vacation was good and tiring, but good. We then got sick after getting back so it has taken us a while to get things back to normal and do some sleep training again.  But we now seem to be having a new problem.  It has to do with his naps, i still shush/pat him after 40min mark and he usually sleeps a total of 1hr20min, but yesterday he slept 1hr 30min waking up crying and not happy.  today same thing, so i thought i would try to get him back to sleep, maybe he needed more, so he slept another 20min and still woke UNHAPPY.  His nap is still around 5/ 5.15hr after wake up, so nothing different there. He had though slept almost 12 hr the night before, maybe too much sleep. But last night was only 11hr 30min. Thats of course with a waking after 10hr mark.  Maybe it will pass??  Do you think maybe his nap time needs to be moved??

[Truly Blessed]

Hi Hun, welcome back. Could you please post his current routine:

WU

Nap time and length

BT

Do you think he could be OT because he is still getting over being sick, it can take a while to get their strength back. If you have this awful virus' that we have had, it sure has left me shattered and it's been 2 weeks now.

x.