Easy routine review

[Dreambaby08]

So I got 6 mos old lo on 4 hr feedings. Seems to me that her A time is approx. 2.5 hours. Does the following routine look fine? I wonder abt the A time before bedtime- how can I make this work without a catnap?

E-8:30 bf, hr later solids
S-11:00
E-12:30, hr later solids
S-3:00
E-4:30, hr later solids
E&S-8:30 bedtime

[Ima shel Alon]

A LO can really only drop the CN when his A time is approx. 3h. If she is not refusing the CN yet then I would keep on offering it till she does and then start and increase her A time by 10-15min every 3-4 days.
If she is already refusing the CN then I would working on increasing the A times now. And you might need to do an earlier BT for a short while till her A time are longer.
What do you think?

[Dreambaby08]

Lo refused sleep altogether...  . Doing pu/pd for sleep training now. So do you think I should push in a catnap as well & see if it works with her? What time would be ideal?

I guess if other naps are going well but the last catnap is still being refused I will be cutting it out by increasing her A time?

[Dreambaby08]

Ok morning nap took 10 mnts of soothing till lo fell asleep. But woke up after 30 mnts. Tried to do pu/pd for 15-20 mnts but refused to go back. Is this a sign to increase her A time?
She looked very tired when I put her down which was 2.5 hrs wake time=fell asleep 2h40 mnts. I'm just so confused when to know if a short nap means OT or UT

[Dreambaby08]

I think I want to give the 3 hr A time a try. Does the following routine make sense?

8:30 wake
9:30 feed, hr later breakfast
11:30 nap 1.5 hrs
1:30 feed, hr later lunch
4:00 nap 1.5 hrs
5:30 feed, 1.5 hrs later dinner
8:00-8:30 bath, feed & bed

[Ima shel Alon]

So do you think I should push in a catnap as well & see if it works with her? What time would be ideal?

I just assume that you dropped it recently because of her age. So I would still try and offer if it's only a few days since dropping it so she has a chance to catch up. If it's while since you dropped the CN then I would work ASAP on increasing her A time.

I guess if other naps are going well but the last catnap is still being refused I will be cutting it out by increasing her A time?

Exactly, and perhaps you are in that stage already.

I'm just so confused when to know if a short nap means OT or UT

There are two ways of figuring this out. One is the length of the nap: 30-35min naps are usually OT and 45min-1:20h naps are usually UT. This is a very general rule, yk? Many babies will do UT 30min naps... So the secind way of figuring it out is the way they wake up. If a baby is happy and chatty after a short nap then most likely he is UT, if cranky, crying and seems like he didn't want to wake up then it's most likely OT.
I think in your case it WAS an OT nap because A time was 10min longer than usual butthis is normal and to be expected when increasing A time. IIWY I would stick to the 2:40h A time for 3 more days and increase it again.
Your plan of a routine seems good to me, but you can't just jump from 2.5h A time to 3h, she will get extremely OT.

[Dreambaby08]

Thank you ima! I need professional advice on how to set up my routine. Can you please take a look at the pu/pd board to review lo's schedule of the past few days? The subject is "pu/pd report". I believe you will be able to catch on some hints and guide me in the right direction.i did not want to post again the same schedule on 2 boards..

The following was Monday's schedule:
(Please note that last night we moved lo's crib to her own room. Unfortunately, that room did not have room darkeners as our room had. So possibly the early morning wake & short naps are related to that...? Or bec of the A times? Or both together..? We bought dark shades today so I hope it will be better)

6:00 woke to play. Then cried till 7:40 she was back asleep.
8:45 wake & feed
10:15 breakfast
11:20 put in crib.
11:35 asleep
12:05 woke up crying. Refused to go back.
(Nap #1 lasted 30 mnts after 2h50 wake time)
12:30 fed
1:30 lunch
2:30 put in crib
2:40 asleep
3:20 woke up crying but looked at me as if asking me to pick her up. Refused to go back
(Nap #2 lasted 40 mnts after 2h35 mnts wake time & poor nap before)
4:15 fed
I went for a walk in her stroller to get her a catnap so she can last till bt but street noise woke her. Slept for abt 5-10 mnts
7:15 bedtime routine: bath, fed
7:55 asleep (2 mnts after placed in crib)

Feedings were a bit off the 4 hr mark due to later wakeup/early bedtime, needed to adjust)
Please help me figure out according to the last 3 days how to set up my routine?
I would love to increase her A time & skip that catnap...

[Dreambaby08]

If I should try 2h40 A time, i'm confused where feedings can be placed?
8:30 wake
11:10-12:40 nap #1
3:20-4:50 nap #2
7:45 bedtime

Feedings- 9, 1, 5, 7:30? Last 2 feedings are quite close?

Sunday's both naps were after 2h40 A time as you can see on pu/pd board but results were different.. So please advise further

[Ima shel Alon]

I am by no means a professional, I am just a mommy who has some BTDT experience so I will try to help the best I can.
I would prefer that all advice is on one board so I am going to ask Anna to lock your thread on PU/PD. It would be good if we will discuss both day and night as they are connected. Hope that's ok with you.

2:40h A time is really not enough at her age. Has she just turned 6m or is she closer to 6.5 or 7m?
IIWY I would stick to the 2:40h A time for a couple more days and then increase it by 10min again. The feeding times you mentioned seems ok and there is a good chance that she won't mind the two last feeds to be close. You can also feed as soon as she wakes up and not wait 30min then you space the last two feeds a bit more.
Is she on solids already? Is she still feeding at night?

Yesterday, when she woke up at 6, I don't think she wanted to start the day then, perhaps she was hungry? If she goes down at 20 then you are aiming for 7 as a WU, the earliest.

[Dreambaby08]

Lo is 6 mos fresh. Just started solids. I used to feed her whenever shoe woke up, was on avg 3 times a night. I was advised now not to feed before 4 hrs & do pu/pd for that. Yesterday when she woke at 6 it was before the 4 hr mark so I did not feed her.

This night she woke 11:30 & fed.
3:50 fed.
5:30 let out a cry but went back to sleep
Somewhere before 7 she started crying. I went in 10-15 mnts later when escalated
We usually did 8-9 bedtime, 8-9 wake up, so I thought it was considered as EW & it wasn't after 4 hrs yet. Was it her normal WU? I feel just awful! I tried to send her back to sleep till 8:35 when I felt I'm losing it. She was crying/calm/trying to fall back asleep during all this time...! I just felt I can't take it anymore so I I took her out to feed. I guess I'll wait to put her back for a 9:40 nap?
What should actually be done if EW extends into wake up time?
Does it send her a mssg If I cry long enough mommy will feed me..?

I am trying t lo aim for approx 8:30-8:30 schedule.

[Dreambaby08]

Or perhaps her wake time is considered 8:35 and I should put her for 11:15 nap? During her feed she was in a sleeping mode... But when I took her out of room she got quite excited and in a happy mood

[Dreambaby08]

Oh sorry, and was told that during night wakings, if lo wakes b4 4 hr but doesn't fall asleep till after that- meaning it extends further, I should still not feed her till the next waking not to give lo a mssg that she will get fed if she cries long enough.. I feel so guilty for this morning. Shouldn't her night be 12 hrs?

[Dreambaby08]

More info that might be important: lo was weaned from paci Friday night when starting pu/pd so she is still looking for it...
Lo began cruising the past week-new milestone

[Dreambaby08]

So I decided to judge myself & follow lo's cues. She was playing happily. 10:00 I gave her some fruit.
10:25 she began fussing, I changed her position & she started crying/eye rubbing so I quickly put her in crib. She acted very tired there- yawned..etc. 10 mnts later she was asleep
10:35 asleep. I hope this nap will be a good one. I'm not sure how long this A time was... Somewhere between 2 hrs from when I took her out to feed & 3.5+ since she woke..

I guess I will try to stick with 2h40 for a few days & see how it works. I will come back to post if I have any questions.
Ps. Lo is pretty alert since birth... Nurses commented that she is analyzing everything... She was never the type that I could feed to help her sleep (except during night) I always struggled to put her down it seemed like she doesn't want to miss out on anything. This morning when she fed she was literally sleeping which is unusual.

[Dreambaby08]

Ok so dh told me that when he left for work at 6:30 he heard already lo babbling/fussing... So I don't know when it started. So following was today's schedule:

Tuesday:
6:30 (?) woke up. Tried to settle till 8:35. Lo was going through the stages of sleep during this time... Both calm/fussy/crying/resettling...
8:35 took out of crib & fed
10:00 fruit
10:35 nap #1
11:15 let out a cry (40 mnts from beginning of nap) but went back herself
12:25 woke (nap was 1h50 mnts after (?amnt) A time
12:30 fed
2:00 cereal
3:05 nap #2 (took 8 mnts of soothing)
4:30 wake & feed (nap was 1h25 mnts after 2h40 A time)
Here I wanted to move her bedtime later- I didn't want another early waking so I left with the stroller at 6
6:40 catnap till 7
8:05 put in crib. (No crying! Just some mantra here & there)
8:30 asleep

So when should i expect lo to wake tomorrow morning to start the day? Shouldn't a night be 12 hrs, meaning anything before 8:00-8:30 should be considered as EW? Just don't know when to take her out & feed.. Until now when she used to wake around 6 I just fed her & she went right back to sleep..
I appreciate your help isa!