2-1 transition?????

[pinkladyangel]

He took a while to go off but he did eventually at 9.50. Will wake him in a minute. Do i still only give him a 3-3.25 A time before pm nap.

[Layla]

What A times have you been using for 2nd nap? I probably would stick ti the same A times since its giving you a good pm nap 

[pinkladyangel]

He was currentky on 4 hour but its been getting shorter as rhe days go on. will see how he is later.

[pinkladyangel]

Well i woke him after 45 mins (10.35) and he was quite happy. At around 12.15 he started getting grumpy so i got lunch ready and about half way through he started spitting it out and rubbing his eyes and when i got him out his chair we had meltdown. I've never him like this before. He's like a two year old that cant get his own way. Anyway i managed to calm him down and have put him go bed. Not sure if i've done the right thinv now cos he's banging around like nobodys business. He looks like he hasnt slept for a week and i feel so exhausted. If he does sleep i dont think it will be long cos he'll be hungry. I'll see how it goes.

[pinkladyangel]

What a weird afternoon its been. As i put earlier he went to bed and i think he was asleep at one. From 2 o clock onward he was really restless and at four he got really upset. Am thinking that it could be a bit of teething although it doesnt seem to bother him at night. Who knows. Wonder what bt and morning will bring.

[Layla]

Fingers crossed for a good night and reasonable wake up

[pinkladyangel]

Aaaaaaarrrrrrrrggggggggg
Yet another 5am wake up. Would love to know what i'm doing wrong. I've never known him to be so grumpy and constantly tired.

[pinkladyangel]

I need some fresh ideas please. We have one exhausted household
Our days are starting far too early. His naps are getting earlier too. Its half past 8 and he's already tired. i'm getting really stressed and taking it out on everybody. Its like someone has swapped my baby for one that wants to sleep when he wants to sleep and scream when everyone else wants to sleep or go out to do something. He's such a nightmare and i'm startinf to struggle.

[Joy-filled]

Hugs to you.  I've definitely been there too.  Recently for about 3 weeks my DS decided that the day started at 4:30-5:30 but that's not because he was well rested and ready to go, he was just too OT to sleep through the night and wake at a reasonable hour.  I'm still recovering from the whole new level of pure exhaustion and fatigue that created.  I was so foggy brained and irritable, snapping at my DH over the littlest things....it was awful!  It is so hard to be pleasant, patient, and at peace when you are so sleep deprived and your LO is suffering.  Especially when he's a screamer.  My DS is a screamer too - it breaks your heart to feel so helpless unable to help them get the sleep they need no matter what you do and to have to hear them scream with OTness is just awful.  I do wish I had some fresh ideas for you - the only thing I can think is you could try for 2 good naps today but I don't want to mess things up worse for you and given our time difference it's probably too late for you to try that.  I do know that generally speaking to get rid of EWUs it is recommended to not do the am nap early as it just encourages them to keep waking early.  How did the am nap go?  What did you end up doing?

[Layla]

Big (((hugs)))

It really is a tough transition and we also endured early wake ups which ranged from 5am-7.30am. I used to hold off on putting down for the morning nap until at least 9 am and I would get her out of the house in between naps to distract her as we also had some serious tantrums! If you let him sleep a long nap in the morning, would he take a catnap in the car or in the pram?

[pinkladyangel]

Hi guys
Thanks for replys. Hugs very gratefully recieved.
In the end i had to go out this morning so i expected him to fall asleep in his pushchair but he didnt. We got back at about 10 so i gave him his bottle and put him to bed. I ended up giving him an hour. Will see what happens for his pm nap. He's definitely a bit happier this aafternoon. Will see see if he'll  go down for a pm nap. I think it could be a combination of ot and early am nap thats causing the ew. Will see what the pm nap brings. May even try and have a kip myself lol.

[Emami]

I don't have any fresh ideas because honestly I think you're going the right way about it, but just adding some support because this is a tough transition!  I think it's pretty much impossible to avoid some OT and long days, and I found it really annoying switching between 1 nap, 2 naps, short naps, long naps, but that's what it took here.  I know some people go to one nap cold turkey (I would've loved to!) but most babies just can't handle that.

With the 5am wake ups I personally would've done 2 longer naps again just to catch up until you feel that he's no longer OT (maybe a couple of days) and then push out and cap the morning one again so that you don't encourage the EW. 

I think this is such a tough one because there's so much going on at this age besides changing sleep needs.  I remember during the 2-1 dd was also teething, started standing, started walking, and pretty much turned from a baby into a toddler.  The developmental leaps were crazy and can mess with sleep at the best of times, let alone when it's getting messy anyway.  There's only so much you can do, and I think you're doing great!  It might not feel like it, but things will settle down and this will be a bad memory

[pinkladyangel]

Thank you so much for the support guys. I really appreciate it.
Do i dare jinx it. I dont expect miracles and things to get bettr straight away but today despite the rocky start has been good. Am nap capped at 45 mins and pm nap an hour and 45mins. he's been a happier chappy but started to get a bit grumpy so bt was slightly earlier. Heres hoping for a bit of a lay in lol
Oh and i managed to grab an hours sleep too

[weaver]

Oh and i managed to grab an hours sleep too

Hurrah for that!

It is a bumpy road and it *is* annoying that it doesn't all go in one direction, that you have to keep switching back and forth, and trimming and capping and adding and just thinking it out constantly.  But, take heart, as it is a transitional phase and he will get on to a new routine that suits. 

Sounds like he's sensitive to OT in spite of his previous record as a long A timer so I'd keep an eye on him for OT, and nip it in the bud when you can!

More hugs for you and baby.

[Emami]

Glad you had a better day.  Some extra sleep for you always helps