9 months earlier and earlier wake-ups

[peanutmom]

Waking up on this Christmas morning at 5am not bc of Santa but bc of my baby girl decided that 5am is normal to be awake and start the day. She is happy healthy baby and sleeps through the night since 6months. No dream feeds, sleeps in her own bed. But couple weeks ago started to wake up at 6am, then 5.30am and now at 4.45-5am  instead of usual 6-6.30am
Her day goes like this:
5am-6.30am - wake up
7am - 6-7oz bm
8am - 1/4 cup of veggies/fruit
9am-9.30am goes down for nap
sleeps for 1-1.5 hour
11am - 6oz bm
noon- 1/4 cup of veggies/fruit
1pm-1.30pm - goes down for nap
sleeps for 1-2 hours
3pm - 6-7oz bm
4pm - yogurt
5.30pm - 4tblsp cereal with bm/formula
6-6.15pm - bath
6.30pm 6-8oz formula
7pm - bed

She is at the daycare 3 days/week and they are doing their best to follow her feeding and napping schedule, but it doesn't always work as there are kids from 6weeks to 16months.
idl what i'm doing wrong but she started to wake up earlier and earlier and now our day is a mess bc she can not keep her eyes open around 6.30pm and passing out in my arms while i'm trying to feed her We have tried putting her to bed earlier - didnt work, room darkening - done. She is very mobile and is almost walking right now. Any advice would be great!

[Buntybear]

Hello -  wonder if your LO needs a little less day sleep now? You may want to reduce one of the naps by 15-30 mins and see if that helps?

chronological EASY samples, 10-12 months

[peanutmom]

Buntybear, we have tried it and even with only 30 min naps she still woke up around 5am....
Not sure what happened, but last two days she is up around 6am!!!!!! The only thing we changed is her formula before she goes to bed.

[Buntybear]

Do you mean one long nap and then a 30 minute catnap?

Maybe she is going through a growth spurt then!

[peanutmom]

She only takes 2 naps, depending on whats going on in the daycare and home it can be 30min nap or 2 hour nap. I dont usually let her sleep more then 2 hours per nap. Today she woke up at 5am again hoping it's a growth spurt then...

[creations]

Hello and welcome to BW forums
Lovely to have you here.

I wonder if you get a report from day care about how long she has napped each day?  If not could you ask that they jot down the times so that you can see if there is a pattern to her naps, how long they are etc.  It would really help us to support you if we knew when and for how long she is sleeping, not just on her days at home but for all her days.  it could be for instance that she regularly does a 30 min nap in the morning at day care and you could follow this at home to stabilise her routine somewhat, to create more consistency.  It is much easier to work out LOs sleep needs or what needs tweaking if the routine is consistent.

it could be that she is sleeping short at day care and longer at home but that overall is getting too much day sleep (too much catch up?) which is shortening her nights. At this age sleep needs do drop a little so one shorter and one longer nap would be more common.

if you are able to post some a full weeks Sleep times (WU, nap length and time (and where), BT, NWs and morning WU) we might be able to offer some additional support.

[peanutmom]

Sure!

I get day care reports by the eod. So, for example, last week went like this:

Monday (home, usually she is in the daycare on M, but bc of the Christmas it was closed):
4.50am- wake up
9.30am - 1,5h nap
1.30pm - 1,5h nap
7pm - bedtime

Tuesday (daycare):
6.10am- wake up
8.45am - 1,5h nap
1pm - 1h nap
6.40pm - bedtime

Wednesday (home):
6.20am- wake up
9.30am - 1,5h nap
1.40pm - 1,5h nap
6.40pm - bedtime

Thursday (daycare):
5.20am- wake up
9.30am - 30min nap
1.30pm - 1,5h nap
6.40pm - bedtime

Friday (home):
4.45am- wake up
9.30am - 1,5h nap
1.30pm - 1,5h nap
7pm - bedtime

Saturday (home):
6.20am- wake up
9.30am - 1,5h nap
1.30pm - 1,5h nap
7pm - bedtime

Sunday (home):
5.40am- wake up
9.30am - 1,5h nap
1.30pm - 1,5h nap
6.40pm - bedtime

Monday/today (home):
5.20am- wake up

Her morning naps are usually shorter, anywhere from 30min to 1,5h. Her afternoon nap is no less then 1 h. And if her afternoon nap is less then 1h - omg... she is a little terror around 6pm and starts passing out at 6.30pm. I don't mind her staying later then 7pm, so she can sleep a little late too. My husband and I work really late and don't go to bed earlier then 11pm or midnight. I just don't know how to switch her to going to bed later so she can wake up later in the morning too.
Daycare is doing their best with naps, but like I said, there are little babies there different age, anywhere from 6 weeks to 16months. And I guess she only sleeps there bc she is exhausted. They are trying to put all the kids on the same schedule, light are of at 9am-11am, and 1pm-3pm, so if your baby sleeps during that time thats great, but I'm not sure how anyone can sleep, when there is a newborn crying right next to you ... Also, she started to eat a lot! Like going from 6oz of milk to 8-9oz first bottle of the day at 7am in the last week.

Thank you all so much!!! I know I should be happy she sleeps even 10 hours at night, but I worked really hard to get her on this schedule and everything started to go so well for a month, and not we are stuck with these morning wake ups and I have no idea how to fix it...   

[Buntybear]

I really think that the EWs are a mixture of OT an UT - you can easily get in a cycle with the 2-1 nap dropping. I am surprised that you can get a 1.5 nap out of her at 9.30am! Is she particularly high sleep needs? Many LOs can get to 11/12pm for their long nap at that age. I believe a lot of nurseries over here will aim for a midday nap at that age too - they would split the kids into age groups. You can't expect a baby to sleep the same time as a toddler!

We had our longer nap first and then capped the 2nd nap so in the end he would have 30 mins at about 4,30 just to get him through to BT. And all of those CNs had to be APOP'd 

Looking at your schedule I would be tempted to cap the 1st nap if it going to be that early and then go for the longer nap after lunch as this is when it will fall when she totally drops the nap anyway. To have 3 hours of naps and an early BT is a lot of sleep at that age IMHO.

HTH!

[peanutmom]

Yes, I'm thinking the same - the goal is to have the afternoon nap be the longest one, so we will have an easy time transitioning to 1nap down the road (like around 1 year?). It seems like a short afternoon naps always result in her being overtired anyway.
The reason why she is taking 1.5h morning naps is bc she is very VERY active baby, and mornings are her best time - she won't sit still a min!
Starting tomorrow will try a new schedule and cap 1st nap to 1h max.

[Buntybear]

I am really sorry - I thought your LO was 12 months old for some reason    In that you really are at very early stages of the transition!

I am not so good on routines tweaks before 1 year old I am afraid. I guess you could look at  pushing out that first A time - there must be a need for longer A times if she has the EWs. Pushing the naps back would help you getting your later bed time too. Not sure on if you need to cap the naps quite yet - Creations may know?

Sorry again - what a wally!

[Buntybear]

Looking at these 9 months routines you do seem to have a good routine - apart from the EWs... - they do seem to have a shorter first nap though - you could try capping at one hour as you say and see how she goes x

chronological EASY samples, 7-9 months

[peanutmom]

ehehhehe no worries, her pediatrician says on the paper she looks like 12month old - almost walking, happily eating solids, starting to talk! Today told our daycare to increase her A time and let her sleep no more then 3h total for naps. Hoping that helps.
Also, going on vacation with our whole family(8people) for 6 days should be fun... I'm about to loose my mind just thinking about it.

[Buntybear]

Oh crumbs - guess you need to go with the flow a bit but also try and stick the routine where possible    - good luck!

[Scottishmummy]

Hi
Things are likely to be a bit crazy on holiday so I'd just go woth flow then and not worry too much about routine tweaks until you're back.

I think it looks like you're getting EW after days she has had 3hrs total day sleep but also done around a 12hr day. 
It looks like you get a more normal wu time (after 6) on days she has either slept 3hrs but woken early so has a 13hr day, or has woken at normal time & done a 12hr day but had around 2.5hrs total day sleep..
The exception is the Thurs to Fri when she had only 2 hrs total daysleep with a 13hr day then woke at 4.45 the next day. That one looksOT to me.

So..from all that, I think I would try keeping 2 naps & around roughly same times for naps and BT but maybe capping one of the naps at 1hr? 

[creations]

Hi there - sorry I asked for your day care times and then disappeared, I had a vomiting virus and struggled to keep up with my threads
Back now though.

Looks like pps have already given great support. I can't really add to it.  I'd also agree at capping one nap to 1hr consistently so that day car and home days are as similar as they can possibly be. This really helps LOs to regulate their sleep.

The other thing (if day care agree) is to move all the naps and night by say 30 mins later.  This is a different aspect of the routine, rather than looking at sleep needs it is looking at moving times.  This is for instance what people do when the clocks change.  Ideally you also move all E times as these help LO know where she is up to in the day, this might not be so easy with day care unless they also can shift her E times?  So you'd move every thing 15 mins later day one then another 15 mins later day 2 and stick there.  This "should" make BT and WU 30 min later once she settles into it.
It works for a lot of LOs and is quite a normal shift for many with clock changes twice per year.  You'd then be looking at a 7/7.30 BT rather than 6.30/7 BT and morning should improve to more like 7am rather than 6.30am (I am not including the 4.45am EW here as that is a routine issue not a time moving issue).