2-1 transistion at 9 months?!

[Chloevalentine]

Do you wake lo at 630? Think I might

[Haribo2012]

On a work day defo but the other 2 days I prob leave him till 6.45 but he's mostly woken by my eldest banging about in the toilet lol x

[Chloevalentine]

Do you think the ews are from that long stretch of A time from the first nap until bedtime? The past week he's been up anywhere from 445-545. I just can't get him to nap in the afternoon.
His day looks like this lately :
A 530 (used to be 630 on average)
E bottle solids hour later
S 9/930-1030/11 nap usually 1.5 hrs but today was only 1 hr 15
E 1130 lunch 230 bottle 430 dinner
E 6 bottle asleep 630

Tonight he was asleep by 6! He was exhausted from being up at 545 slept 915-1030 then up until bed.
We recently dropped a bottle too. I can't help but think that the one nap is starting to catch up to him and we are now getting ews.

[Haribo2012]

I would say most definitely, his nap either needs to be later in his day or he needs a morning CN and longer lunch nap. It's a long A to bed x

[Chloevalentine]

Whenever I try to put him down later in the morning a longer A time his nap is shorter and he's a mess crying hard time settling etc. yesterday he did a 1 hr nap so I tried an afternooon nap and he wouldn't go down. Now that he can stand up in crib it's making it much harder to settle. Any tips

[Haribo2012]

Could you try just adding 10/15 mins on then hold for 3 days then move again so he's not massively OT?

[Chloevalentine]

The nap still needs to be early enough where I can wake him to go pick up sibling from school at 1245.  So I'm not sure it's going to make much of a difference theres still going to be that long a time before bed.  I wish I could just get him to take an afternoon nap

[Haribo2012]

I'm not sure there is a way to fix it then at this time 

[Chloevalentine]

He's taken a few shorter morning naps about 45 mins so I was able to get a short afternoon nap one day this week but today I had trouble getting him down for morning nap and it was late 11-12 so he wouldn't take another nap I did try though.
What are other 9 month olds doing nap wise as far as A times or time of each nap?

[becj86]

I had a tricky kiddo like this too - ended up having to do a 20min CN in the AM, really short, like 2hr A time in the middle then long PM nap. The middle A time was miserable so that was filled with eating and lots of keeping him occupied, plan nothing for that time if you can :-/ If you can use the car trip to pick up his sibling for getting to sleep, you could do something like this:

6 - WU (ideally later, I know, just going on what's happening atm)
10:30 - CN (20-30min tops)
12:45 (or close enough - fall asleep in car - transfer to bed when you get home)
Let him sleep max. 2.5hr
BT more like 7/7:30 which will then help with the EW too.

WRT transferring from car to bed, that is trainable, I did it with a standing/walking shush/pat variant and it still works wonderfully for us to this day and DS is now 6yo.

[Chloevalentine]

Thank you for the tips. Going to see how today goes being that we r back to school a and lo is back to regular schedule. He woke around 615 which is pretty good 11 hrs night sleep and is down for nap at 920. Went down easy like he used to! I hate waking him from nap being that they are so sparse. Maybe we can get back to the good 1.5 hr nap in morning and even just a catnap in afternoon. I just feel like I never get the A time right and we struggle. Typically how long should that A time be if he does a good nap in morning of at least an hour ? When he's up from nap by 1030/11 I usually try again around 230.

[becj86]

Maybe we can get back to the good 1.5 hr nap in morning and even just a catnap in afternoon. I just feel like I never get the A time right and we struggle.

That's a gamble, I could never be sure of a PM nap and we had WU varying between 4am (after a 5pm BT) and 8am which was just not workable.
There is no 'typical' any more at this age and frankly, typical probably won't fit your LO anyway

We did have a routine of 4hrA, 3hrA, 2hrA with 1hr naps between for a couple of weeks so you could try that and tweak from there.

Honestly, 6:15-9:20 is 3:05hr A time which is 'average' for a 6-7mo. He's probably UT and not interested in napping after another 3hr and that's pretty reasonable at this age, I'd be shooting for at least 3.5hr by 9mo off a decent nap. Are you keeping it that short to try for a short nap? If not, I'd push that first A time longer which should help make your WU later and pull your day gradually later.

[Haribo2012]

Thanks Bec great advice 

[Chloevalentine]

 He naps well in the morning after about 3.5 hours A time ( usually up at 6 nap at 930) so I'm hesitant to change that.  I don't really want to push the day out any later because then it's that much harder to try for that second nap. I'll just keep trying to get him down for that afternoon nap not much else I can do. He's trying to walk and I think he's just too busy.

[Chloevalentine]

 Two days in a row now he's gone down after 3 1/2 hours at a time in the morning and Napped 25 minutes woke up crying both times! Ugh