waking.. and waking...

[shimzy]

WOW thanks for the help guys.

I have to say last night was a BIT better (still woke 3 times) BUT I got 3 hours of straight sleep LOL...

It was funny when they mentioned growth spurt because she is 3 mths and 2 wks today and for the last couple wks was varying between 3.25 to 4 hour EASY.. now she is closed the gap to 3.75 to 4 hour easy and its quite clear she can stay awake for 1.75 hr without getting overtired.

Turns out I was keeping us TOO busy to notice her first tired sign. She has never been hard to put down and does go to sleep easily (even when overtired) but it manifests itself with night wakings. BAD MOMMY!! 

I also went out and picked up the Hylands Teething tablets last night and gave her a couple of doses. She seems to be less chewy on her hands today so maybe that was part of the problem too.

You all should start a thread about the 4 month growth spurt. By far I believe it is the worst! lol....

She went through - more hunger, growing more, overtired from transitioning to 4 hour easy, teething ...holy cow. And all in two weeks. Cant wait for this growth spurt to end!

[* Paula *]

Hi Stephanies Mom,

It all depends on your lo - if you think that your lo can handle the A time, then by all means try.

Have a look at this link, these are some sure signs that your lo is ready to transition.

https://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=63161.0

Lisa,

Sounds like you have hit the nail on the head.  Let us know how the rest of your day goes.

Good Luck.

Paula x

[shimzy]

well i dunno, its more like bent the nail 
madisons' naps have been absolutely horribly atrocious today. she goes to sleep right away, and then at an hour *bing* she's wide awake
tonight is going to be horribly wretched again, she is going to be WAY overtired at bedtime.....

sleep dangit sleep!

[shimzy]

I should add too, Madison has been trying very hard to roll from back to front today.

Perhaps that is why her sleeping is so disturbed. Its kinda funny watching her becuase she gets really frustrated, then gives up and then all of a sudden lets out a huuuuuuuge grunt, throws her leg over her body and falls back onto her back......LOL..poor thing.

[* Paula *]

Lisa,

Defintely sounds like the developmetal part has a lot to do with her sleep issues.

Try going into her room at aroudn the 45 minute mark to help her transition into a deeper sleep.

Sending you lots of sleep vibes.

Paula x

[Stephanies Mom]

Lisa, How have you been making out with the LO?

Thanks Jodi- it was good to hear you went throught the same thing (not that you had to go through it but that it a phase.     Last night was much better, she only woke at 3.30 where I fed her (she used to wake at this time regularly and I do feed her....need to do w2s again...I think I started w2s when the erratic wakings began.)  She then woke at 5.50 and I normally start our day at 6.30 so I can live with that.  Hopefully things will stay on this course.  I also think part of it was that we did a more of a 3.5-3.45 EASY yesterday too.
Thanks again for your support.
Dottie
aka Stephanie's Mom

Paula,
The link was very helpful...she had 3 of the 4 signs.  The only thing I will struggle with is that we usually wakes between 5.30-6 but I don't nurse her til 6.30 so I don't think she can stay up for 2 hrs after her feed since she's been awake and talking in her crib for some time before that.   I don't want to start my day any earlier as I will be going back to work in a few weeks.  Any thoughts?
Dottie

[shimzy]

Last night wasnt too bad, still woke a few times.

I did no dreamfeed last night though and she still wouuldnt eat at any point during her wakings in the middle of the night - so she must NOT be hungry. I can now start working on pinpointing her wake up times and try to combat them one by one. I figure she is waking AROUND the same time so I'll give W2S a try on those.....

And as a result of doing no dream feed guess what? SHE took 6 OUNCES for breakfast! woohoo! lol.. thats a breakthrough for us. When I was doing the dream feed the most I could get her to take was 2-3 oz.. yay!!

[* Paula *]

Dottie, you can always adjust her times after the first nap.  Our lo was never able to stay up the recommended time first thing in the morning, and then we would adjust our EASY times from when he woke up - HTH's.

Lisa, that is fantastic news about the morning bottle    Keep us posted on how she gets on.  Sounds like a plan with regards to the night wakings - if it is not out of hunger, then it may be worthwhile to try the W2S and see how it goes.  Have you tried posting in the general sleep issues, to see if they have any advice for you?  Especially now that we know it is not out of hunger.

Keep us posted on how you get on.

Paula x

[Stephanies Mom]

Good news, bad news.  Good- last night was the second night where my LO woke up at 3.35 and then 5.15 which is where we were before the wakings 4x a night so I can tackle the ~3.30 with w2s again and she actually fell back to sleep after the 5.15 w/ some accidental parenting (gave her the boob but only for a minute) but I really needed some more sleep.  Bad- yesterday she took 3 45 minute naps where she hasn't had a problem taking 2 hour naps for weeks now.  All 3 times she woke crying and wouldn't be consoled unless she was picked up and then of course was a crank monster when awake.    Couldn't put her back down without her crying...may need to read up on pu/pd.  She's become to hate the ssh/pat but that's what taught her to settle herself initially.  She in now stirring an hour into her 1st nap....gggrrrr.  I guess she just wants to keep me guessing.
Is this happening to you at all?  \Being beckoned...
Dottie
Dottie

[* Paula *]

Dottie,

I am sorry you  are having such a rough time.  She may take a few days to settle into her routine, but if things are not working, it may be worthwhile going back to the old routine, and then trying again in a few days time.

Hugs.

Keep us posted.

Paula x

[shimzy]

Well its still not super great. I stopped the dreamfeed which helps tremendously with her breakfast bottle. She is now consistently taking 6 oz for her breakfast bottle (before she would only take 2 or 3 oz because we did dreamfeed).

Also, her nightwakings are getting a bit better. She goes to bed at 7 and sleeps until 1am, then gets up at about 3am.. then 4 am.. then its every hours until get up time.

*sigh* I just dont know what to tackle first. I try feeding her at the 3am bottle because I figure she's hungry but EVERY SINGLE TIME I try to feed her she only takes 2 oz, obviously up for just a snack and a lil chat 

[* Paula *]

That is great news about the breakfast bottle Lisa 

Do you think it might be worthwhile trying to just re-settle her first and see if that helps?

Paula x

[shimzy]

I can try resettling her instead of feeding in the middle of the night.  My son didnt drop his middle of the night feed until he was 8 mths...and he ate WAY more than she ever does. She is consistently taking 30oz each day (which is a huge amount more than she was taking just a couple wks ago) - that being said, She is also spitting up alot more than usual too, seems like she has a tummy ache even an hour or so after eating. Is that normal? She's otherwise happy.

On a better note she has had an awesome napping day. So far 2 naps of 1.75 hr. All thats left is her cat nap tonight. She didnt wake once at all from her naps and I had to actually wake her up from her second nap because it was going into her next feed. She was NOT happy that I woke her up. But came around after I fed her.

[* Paula *]

You can only try - if she does not settle then feed her, see how she goes.

That is fantastic news about the naps - sounds like she is doing really well.

Let us know how you get on.

Paula x