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Re: Support for Short Nappers
« Reply #330 on: January 21, 2008, 00:41:04 am »
Hey Suze - glad to see you over here asking for help.  There are a lot of short nappers out there and these girls have been wonderful and very helpful.  Hmmm...not sure I can offer much advice as you know we've talked about it alot.  You didn't mention A time?  Sounds like he's OT, but the other signs are not there.  If he's happy then you really and truly might just have a short napper.  I know that my friend's child only ever napped less than 45 min and was wicked happy so she let it be as he slept great at night just like Dylan.  He went to 1 nap a bit early and does a good 2hr nap midday now and is doing great. 
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Re: Support for Short Nappers
« Reply #331 on: January 21, 2008, 01:23:35 am »
Hey Robyn,

You know, it doesn't seem to matter what the A time is. I think this because the first nap is usually where we start to go downhill.  I am keeping him up usually just 2 hours... I started going a bit longer because I figured maybe that's why I was getting short naps.  I've taken him to 2.5 and still 30 minute naps.  I've been under 2 hours too at 8:45... and that also gets a short nap.  It's just odd to me that it seem to start virtually overnight and he's so consistent no matter what I do.  At least before he would go over an hour.  (And I was complaining then because he used to go two!)  Half hour naps could usually be attributed to OS or OT but I have to say that it doesn't seem to be the issue this time.  It's just a new habit I guess??   So today he took 4 30 minute naps and was asleep for the night at 6:45.  He had some happy moments but got tired rather quickly and so we just kept putting him back down whenever he gave us a sign.  He went down pretty easily every time and was asleep on his own within about 10 minutes.   The real test comes tomorrow.  That's when the nanny has him for naps and we'll see if he does the same for her or if this is just a little special thing he's doing for mommy. 

I kind of hope it is just a mommy thing because I'd hate to think this is a new long term trend!   

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Re: Support for Short Nappers
« Reply #332 on: January 21, 2008, 02:31:44 am »
It's such an art form really, is what I'm finding out. I'm trying to read her cues but honestly I don't think I'm getting it right. She ALWAYS seems tired - she yawns almost as soon as she is out of her nap, and rubs her eyes a lot. She may just be tired all the time cuz her naps are so short, but even if I can't get her back down, she seems happy (but still doing the tired cues) - so I don't know if I should try putting her down again or letting her go if she seems ok.

Yesterday she was severely OT - we went to visit friends and it went longer than we thought - she cried it out pretty hard on way home, and in 4 hrs only napped shortly in my arms (i.e. 30 min total). At home she fed fussily between 9-10, was up twice before 11, but then slept until 4:30 am before the next feed. Today she slept for almost 3 hrs in the swing, but then only had 2 naps or so, not more than 45 min. Had bath, feed, bed at 7:30 but woke 45 min in with bad gas, and she is still up now, but happy as a clam. I honestly can't figure it out! (btw she is 3 months but she was born 3 1/2 weeks early). But where before she was going down pretty easily, she is now getting really fussy as soon as I bring her into the bedroom and put her into her swaddle.
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Re: Support for Short Nappers
« Reply #333 on: January 21, 2008, 02:42:47 am »
What a cutie pie!  You are right, naps are an artform... and then everything changes again it seems!  Ah well.  You are off to a good start if you are working on naps already at 3 months.  Her brain is actually just starting to sort out daytime sleep (that happens between 3 and 6 months) now that she's getting a feel for nighttime sleep.  4 months was the hardest for me actually.  Now at 8 months (Dylan was 7 weeks early so I think of him as 6.5 months) he's much easier to put down for nap... just harder to keep down! We'll find a rhythm again.  Don't worry you've got loads of time to figure it all out- although believe me, I know it can be frustrating.  They say at 6 months it all gets easier... from my perspective it is easier now but just as unpredictable.  Now I'm just getting used to it not being perfect.  As long as he's okay and not terribly out of sorts I'll try not to worry.  Yet, the BW part of me wants to know,"What gives??"     That fussiness when they are going down is usually either them saying, "I'm not ready!" or "I'm too tired to do this mom!"  Don't you wish they had little blinkie signs on their foreheads that would tell us in a nutshell what they were thinking??  It sure would help me! :D
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Re: Support for Short Nappers
« Reply #334 on: January 21, 2008, 16:42:09 pm »
Wow, 7 weeks early - that must have been a bit scary! She was early but a decent size at 6 lbs so they considered her pre-term but not preemie. Her doctor treats her as her 'real' age, but I give her that window for development milestones (i.e. when the books say that the marathon evening cries peak at 6 weeks, I prepared for another few weeks of it just in case!).

I just feel that her patterns are so erratic and the greatest concern is her getting enough sleep, but I guess if she's smiling it can't be all bad. I've already resigned to the fact that it will be a while yet before we have some baby-free quiet evenings!
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Re: Support for Short Nappers
« Reply #335 on: January 21, 2008, 17:08:59 pm »
Sooze - have you tried W2S yet?  It sounds like Dylan might have forgotten how to go back to sleep during the day, or he's too excited about doing something else, so as soon as he knocks the edge off, he's ready to get up and go.  That sounds like it could be developmental, if it's the latter, which is good news - maybe he'll learn a new trick and then be over it. 

Nevviemama - ooof!  Sounds rough!  Like Susan said, daytime sleep does sort out between 4 and 6 months (especially if you're working at it), so it will get better.  We had some tough times between 3 and 5 months and there were times I thought I wasn't strong enough for this motherhood stuff.  Elsie's now 7 months, and I still get the occasional 30 or 40 minute crap nap, but she's doing much better about giving me at least an hour most of the time.  I didn't check in on this thread for a few days and got behind, so was trying to catch up last night before our DF.  I was a bit bleary eyed, but I think there was some talk about W2S.  That was my last resort with Elsie, because I just didn't see how waking her up could be a good thing, when she was already taking cruddy naps.  But amazingly, it was exactly what worked for us.  Sounds like you might be doing it a bit late, though.  If you can watch an entire nap, it will really help to tell you when you should do it.  I found that E first stirred around 25 minutes, though just barely - like moved a finger.  Then again at 35 minutes, she'd maybe turn her head or grunt, and then if she made it to 45 minutes, she'd grunt, groan, kick her legs a bit, etc.  Usually that's when she'd be up for good.  The good thing about that watching/learning nap is that you're right there to hopefully get her back down before she fully wakes up.  Then the next time you can go in about 5 minutes before the first stir and wake her a little.  I did ruin 2 or 3 naps before I figured out what worked, but then when I found it, I was scared to give it up and ended up doing W2S for 2 months before I got the nerve to try a nap without it.  Anyway, what worked for us was going in at 20 minutes, restarting her lullaby CD, and then scratching between her shoulder blades (she's a tummy sleeper) until she fluttered her eyes.  Then I immediately ducked below the crib bumper so she couldn't see me if she opened her eyes, and she'd go back down.  The first couple of weeks, this got me 1 hr 10 minute naps (when it worked - more than half of the time), and then she started going longer than that on occasion.  I think the 1 hr 10 was just the end of the 2nd sleep cycle, but then she must have learned how to get past that on her own, because doing W2S twice in one nap didn't work for us.  I don't know if that helps at all, but you might give it a try.  If not, I've also noticed that the more relaxed I am, the better Elsie does.  That's a lot harder when there's a lot of screaming going on, but it will pass, and I bet by around 6 months, you'll have a much better napper with a big personality to entertain you all day!  Good luck!   :)
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Re: Support for Short Nappers
« Reply #336 on: January 21, 2008, 19:18:31 pm »
I just daren't do W2S what if it makes things worse? My LO is now screaning for 10 mins in my arms before goes to sleep, especially on catnap and going to bed at night sleep.
I am so fed up.
He is 19 weeks now and bottle fed.
When he is asleep at night he is good and goes through with dream feed but won't sleep in day. Has 30 min only naps always even in car or pram. In car or pram he will sometimes go back again. I spend every day fighting and working hard to get him to have some sleep and i walk miles. Driving me mad.
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Re: Support for Short Nappers
« Reply #337 on: January 21, 2008, 20:36:21 pm »
Hi ladies!  Sorry to hear you are both having such a rough go.  They are still young so some of it may just be waiting it out until their brain matures the "daytime sleep" portion.  As Lisa said, w2s might be a good go for you...I mean in the grand scheme of things is a 20 min nap really worse than a 30 min nap?  If it doesn't work after few days you could give it up, but if it did work, how wonderful!

Dizzy - I think I asked you this before and now I'm not remembering well, but is your lo falling asleep in your arms? 
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Re: Support for Short Nappers
« Reply #338 on: January 22, 2008, 02:15:08 am »
 Hi gals... Well hurrah!  Dylan slept for an hour this morning.  I'm starting to think this is a little developmental and a little A time related.  This morning he woke at 6:15 and babbled in his crib and fell back asleep for a few minutes before I went in at 7:00.  The nanny said he was asleep for nap #1 at 9:15... so that's three hours from wake up.  Nap #2 was most strange.  He went to sleep at 1:15 and woke up 25 minutes later.  But then he just stayed in his crib, eyes open, barely moving his hands for another hour!   Was he asleep with his eyes open?  Was he planning his escape?  We're not sure.  I'm glad he is liking his bed that much.    I got home at 3:00 and he was rubbing his eyes around 4:30 so I put him down for a catnap (that he vehemently opposed!) so ending up cuddling with him and holding him for another 30 minute nap.  Mommy didn't mind... she was tired too.     

Have any of you seen this most strange behavior? 

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Re: Support for Short Nappers
« Reply #339 on: January 22, 2008, 03:07:40 am »
Hi Ladies,

Hope I can jump in here. I'm in need of some help with my 5.5 month old dd's short naps (30-45 minutes). I'm thinking she's OT and that I need to break the cycle. The problem is, she's not sleeping well at night either...maybe one night a week she'll sleep for a 5 or 6 hour stretch.

I've been trying to have her A time be around 2.5 hours and if she wakes up early from her nap, which is EVERY nap, I put her down after around 1.5 hours, depending on how she's managing. Even with the 1.5 hour A time after a crummy nap, her next nap isn't any better.

I tried extending her nap but had no luck...she wanted no part of me standing there with a hand on her tummy, paci back in her mouth. I tried rocking her back to drowsy but she was arching her back and grunting so I thought 'maybe she wants to be laid down' and tried again, but she got even more upset. I'm thinking I need to try PU/PD for naps...I started with it last night in the middle of the night when she decided to stay awake for 2 hours between 11-1 :o.

I'm finding it really difficult to read her cues and I think it's possibly due to the fact that I have ds to take care of, get meals for, play with, etc. and I can't devote as much time to just watching her, looking to see if she's yawning, etc. I feel like I'm out of sync with her as a result but can't exactly neglect ds. I already feel bad enough that he spends so much time on his own playing and/or watching tv while I put dd down for naps.

Do you think shorter A times would work? Longer A times? I know I need to try this out and see how it goes and how she reacts but I just wanted to know what your experiences have been. From what I've read I get the impression that some of you have seen success from shorter A times.

I know I need to break the OT cycle (for her AND me ;D), but how can I when she sleeps so poorly at night and during the day? Any suggestions for breaking the OT cycle? I put her to bed earlier tonight.

Sorry this is so long. I'm so sleep deprived that my brain isn't functioning well enough to come up with a plan on my own. I appreciate your help! Thanks for getting this far!  :)
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Re: Support for Short Nappers
« Reply #340 on: January 22, 2008, 18:29:14 pm »
Hi, Hope you don´t mind me joining your group! I also have a short napper! She is 13 weeks old and has been a short napper (45 mins) since about 8 weeks. I am new to baby whispering, and started to follow EASY this last week and have discovered what havoc having short naps has on the routine. (I went from feeding 4/5 times a day to 6/7!) I have looked through the baby whisperer book and it suggests the PU/PD method to try and lengthen naps but then it also says that if your baby seems happy and sleeps through the night with only the short naps then it´s not necessarily a problem. This generally applies to my LO, so how on earth do you maintain the E part of EASY so that you are on a 3 or 4 hr cycle rather than 2 or 2.5 hr which is my current situation, if you accept the short naps!  :(  As a result she only eats about 10 mins each "sitting" and I´m worried she´s not getting at the "good stuff" as I breast feed. Any suggestions greatly welcomed

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Re: Support for Short Nappers
« Reply #341 on: January 22, 2008, 19:19:19 pm »
Hi, Yes he falls asleep in my arms but only if he has got very upset and I have calmed him and he crys every time I put him down in the cot so he falls asleep in my arms and then I put him in cot for the rest of his 30 mins sleep.

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Re: Support for Short Nappers
« Reply #342 on: January 22, 2008, 19:58:30 pm »
Isaac's mom, I can totally relate to your situation.  I have two boys- 3 year old and a 6 month old.  My baby gets up every 3 hours throughout the night and it's been that way since day one.  He also only sleeps 30-45 minutes for naps throughout the day.  To make it harder for myself...I also babysitting a 2 year old girl and now a brand new addition...her 3 month old brother.  Today is my first day with all four...I have been exhausted with my own babies' habits of bad sleep and tried many different things to get him to sleep better for my sake.  But obviously no luck...now with having more of a work load...I'm more desparate to find some other options...cuz I'm EXHAUSTED!  So please let me know if you here of any good suggestions, because when I read you long post - it resembled my baby very much!

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Re: Support for Short Nappers
« Reply #343 on: January 22, 2008, 21:00:31 pm »
Jenny,
Wow, I thought I had my hands full! I hope things improve for you...I'll keep you posted if I get any suggestions or if anything works for me.
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Re: Support for Short Nappers
« Reply #344 on: January 23, 2008, 01:49:03 am »
jenny, isaac's mom, my situation is so similar to yours, although my lo is 3 months today (2.5 months adjusted age). I'm still struggling with the 45 min nap, and 3-4 hr intervals at night. Not only that but if I try to put her to bed early (i.e. 6-7) she will wake 3-4 times b4 11 and the df (sometimes an awake feed and only then she conks out). Maybe it was giving up but the last few days I've kept her downstairs with us while she's stayed alert and been putting her down around 10. Last night she fussed and woke and I fed her at 11 where she finally slept. She was up at 2:30 out of her swaddle, so re-wrapped and put in paci and she fell back asleep, and then woke at 4 for a feed, then at 7. Not a bad night. But, likely cuz she's OT, she sleeps longer in the mornings (i.e. 1.5-2 hrs between wakes until she's really alert at around 11) and I let it happen with little A time. First, cuz she's tired, so if I am to be reading her cues then I should be putting her down - so her A time can be as little as 5 min. But then once she's 'up', the naps shorten. Today she slept on the couch next to me in her donut pillow for almost 2 hours (11:45-1:45), and then I was hard-pressed to get more than 20 min the rest of the day, and it was tough to put her down tonite at 8:30.

So, should I be keeping her up longer in the mornings and try to space the naps out more evenly? Or should I let her sleep in the am even if that means sacrificing the daytime naps?
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