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Re: 15 month old-sleeps only 40 minutes naps at times
« Reply #30 on: April 21, 2008, 01:00:00 am »
OK.  Great to know what to do if he still wakes early.  I wasn't really sure about that 11:30 am nap today, glad you think it was the right thing to do.  I'm better when I have a plan!!  ;)

I'll keep you posted!!

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Re: 15 month old-sleeps only 40 minutes naps at times
« Reply #31 on: April 22, 2008, 09:59:11 am »
So LAYLA!!

Two days ago he woke at 5:20am, nap was 11:30-1:20pm (yay)
asleep at 6:20, slept until 6:20!!!!!!  :o :o :o :o ;D ;D ;D ;D

Yesterday, nap was 12:20 (he sang for 50 minutes in his crib, he never used to do this)
He slept 'til 1:50pm.

I had him in the crib for bed by 6:20 last night (remember 3 days ago I thought the asleep by 7pm was maybe still too late yet as he might not be caught up yet)

He sang for 45 minutes!  Asleep at 7:05pm! 

He woke this am at (drumroll):

5:30am  :P

It seems like I'm getting better days and nights on one day (which is better than nothing!), but the next is crap again (14+ hrs sleep one day, then 12 the next).  He never used to sing so long before sleep like this, can putting them in too early make them sing until they are OT??  ::)  Or should I have tried to have him asleep by 6:20 and I had put him in too late??  What is your guess? 

I'm going to do 11:30 am nap today (asleep by 11:30, I hope) and we'll see.  I just feel like I can't get the timing right for him.   He is EXTREMELY spirited and difficult to read (my BW friends joke that he is the worlds most spirited baby  ;)

At this point the early wakes don't matter as much anymore as I've been laying here awake since 5am anyway  ::) :)


Well, he seems in good spirits this am, but that doesn't mean much by 8:30am on an early wake day sometimes.  Gotta go get him!!

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Re: 15 month old-sleeps only 40 minutes naps at times
« Reply #32 on: April 22, 2008, 15:36:27 pm »
Oh, he's a mess today, just a mess.   :P

He's doing the never-ending singing thingy again I think  ::) , it's 11:30am, he seemed SUPER ready for this nap.  We'll see.  He keeps quieting up and then sing songing again.  It makes my nerves FRAYED I tell you.

He's gotta still be OT. 

Oh gosh, what to do what to do.

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Re: 15 month old-sleeps only 40 minutes naps at times
« Reply #33 on: April 23, 2008, 10:37:52 am »
OK Layla,

Another good night (6:30-6:20am!! ;D ;D )

So it seems like every other night is good the past few days.  It's these days I'm not quite sure what to do with times, but i think today I will stick to 11:30 and 6:20.

If he sing songs for three hours in the crib, I'm going to try to handle it without a nervous breakdown  ::) :P.

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Re: 15 month old-sleeps only 40 minutes naps at times
« Reply #34 on: April 23, 2008, 10:49:13 am »
Oh Annie... you make me laugh ;D ;D ;D. Ok so we need to find a balance between these 14hr and 12hr days :P.

To answer your question, I do think that putting them to bed too early can lead to them being awake past their bedtime, etc...

What I would do is try to push the nap out to 12pm... can you see yourself doing that ;).




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Re: 15 month old-sleeps only 40 minutes naps at times
« Reply #35 on: April 23, 2008, 13:44:23 pm »
Oh, Layla, it's the funniest thing, before the babe, I was KNOWN for being cool as a cucumber.

Now, just the thought of pushing his nap makes my stomach turn.  ;D  Loser.

Anyway, I don't know if I have the guts today.  I will attempt it.

Is it possible he just needs three or four more days of early naps (11:30am) and early beds to catch up, then I start pushing??  Only because every time I (or he) push that nap til 12ish, bedtime gets pushed too, and then it's a five am wake again, and I just think he's not caught up yet, kwim??

I do realize what you are saying is the early nap could be making the OT stick around.

I probably wouldn't be such a mess about the past few months, but DH has been away on business literally 7 weeks out of the past two months and it's just me.  ::)  Tired tired tired.

Thanks for all the help so far!  I do feel like I'm getting somewhere!
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Re: 15 month old-sleeps only 40 minutes naps at times
« Reply #36 on: April 23, 2008, 17:04:31 pm »
OK, so 11:35 asleep, 12:45 awake.

6pm bedtime, right?  ::) :P :-X :'( :-\ ??? :(

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Re: 15 month old-sleeps only 40 minutes naps at times
« Reply #37 on: April 23, 2008, 17:43:01 pm »
Hiya Annie!  I FINALLY found your thread, LOL!  Hi Layla!  LOVE your avatar!  Mine are just about to bloom and I CAN'T WAIT!  Sorry hope you don't mind me jumping in and giving my 2 cents as well...Bethany and Bear seem to be pretty similar in their sleeps, although Bear is definitely one hard nut to crack!

Ok first lemme just put down my general "rules" for toddler sleep, which aren't the same for everybody but have worked for us so take it or leave it.  :) 

1.  Try to fix OT-ness with early bedtime/early nap, based on original nap times not wake times. 
2.  If that doesn't work (which sounds like it's not), go by stricter A times, regardless of what crazy kooky hours you are on.
3.  For me, the OT-ness is corrected when she stops sleeping longer than normal.  For example, if she's taking shorter naps and she's OT, and I finally start correcting it she'll take longer naps trying to catch up.  When her nap returns to a normal length, then it's corrected and I slip back to her usual routine as best I can.    It's hard because I have to really watch what she's doing, and can miss some cues...I found it gets corrected best if I go by her cues and less than a plan, if that makes sense.  I thought she was UT the other day so was going to push her bedtime back and what do you know, she started getting fussy earlier than expected so off to bed she went, despite my plan. 

Also, when sleep is off it's hard to remember to focus on the other factors of the EASY equation, so forgive me for going back to the basics, but sometimes something in the basics is where it's at:
E: how is his eating?  Does he wake early just because he's hungry and wants to eat?  Is he still getting anything before bed like milk or a snack?  Does he eat a good lunch before nap?
A:  Is he getting too much or too little activity?  I remember you said once a while back he did really well after spending some good time outside.  Have you been trying that again at all recently?  Does he need a long time of quiet before nap?  Like come home after a crazy wild playgroup and just have some super quiet time before putting him down?  Does he have the same routines for nap every day and bedtime every day?

Maybe I should just stick with the early bedtimes and let him catch up some more before I try to move it forward again?

This is what I do...I think it works well...the trick is figuring out when the catch up happens.  Recently actually it's been the opposite, we've had late nights and late mornings, so I've just been going with it until she catches up and we'll push her back to her old routine.  Only when I think she's caught up she throws me for another loop!  <eyeroll>  So I think it's hard to figure out when that catch up happens - sometimes you miss it and keep trying to shove sleep down their throats when they're not tired!  It's a fine line to dance...

So, yesterday, I tried to push the nap along a little and had him in the crib at 5 hours and twenty minutes.  He fell asleep for his nap at 5 and forty minutes a-time (11:20).  Then the one hour and 20 minute nap.  So I guess I pushed him a little too much??  ::) :P

This is old news but looking at the overall picture my guess would be yes.  I think Layla said this as well but when catching up with the OT, work on shorter A times for a couple of days until he's caught up and then push him back.

He took a 2 and a half hour nap yesterday!!!  YAYAYAY.  Then I had him asleep last night by 5 hours and ten minutes a-time.  He slept ‘til 6am (11 hours and 20 minutes)!!  YAYAYAYAY again!!  So, I’m thinking, we’re getting there!

THEN:  Today I had him in the crib at 10:45 to be asleep by 11ish for his nap (5 hours a-time).  He has been singing/fussing/singing in the crib for over an hour!!!  WTF???  It is now NOON!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is my guess what happened:  Getting OT he needed some extra sleep, sounds like he got two good nights of sleep and some earlier, good-lengthed naps which helped a lot...which means he was ready for a little bit later nap?  He caught up a bit and didn't need quite as short of an A time on the day he sang in his crib for forever.  IT's hard b/c for Bethany singing in the crib may mean she wasn't ready for sleep or it may mean she's OT and hyper.  <sigh>  But then it sounds like you might have it figured out in that he needs a couple more days of good sleep before he's totally out of the OT trap.

And you already know that I think tonight should be a 6pm bedtime...since you say his short naps = OTness.

Sorry, a lot of this Layla already said in just different words, I'm just pretending I know what I'm talking about.  ;)  And wanting to try anything to help you out hon, cause I love you so.  MWAH.


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Re: 15 month old-sleeps only 40 minutes naps at times
« Reply #38 on: April 23, 2008, 23:54:45 pm »
Seeeeeeeee Kat, SLEEP GURU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You go girl.

Annie, I'm struggling myself (not with Bubba now !) and have no clue 'cept consistency is good and don't get him too caught up like Kat said. Bubba only takes a day or two.....

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Re: 15 month old-sleeps only 40 minutes naps at times
« Reply #39 on: April 24, 2008, 00:50:27 am »
Awwww, shucks, guys, thanks for the support (much needed)!!!

Still not quite sure what is going on here, but Layla has been wonderful and supportive.   :)

KATAKINS, a lot of what you said makes good sense also.  Bear (William) is such a tough nut to crack, that's true true true. Always keeps me guessing, little schnook-ums.

So, he was asleep by 6:10pm, he cried a little then went quiet.  We'll see.  It's like a long BORING soap opera already.  :-[

LAYLA, any thoughts on today??
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Re: 15 month old-sleeps only 40 minutes naps at times
« Reply #40 on: April 24, 2008, 02:32:36 am »
Hey Kat! Nice to see you around again.... are you pregnant btw??? I "think" I may have read it somewhere ???.

Annie, will be interesting to see what time he wakes up and how well he sleeps at night.



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Re: 15 month old-sleeps only 40 minutes naps at times
« Reply #41 on: April 24, 2008, 09:32:45 am »
Hmmmmmmmmm.  Awake at 5:25am.

Doesn't really tell me much.

I'm gonna stick to that 11:30 nap I guess because that's 6 hrs a-time.  :P  Especially after one hour and ten minutes yesterday.

Really still confused.

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Re: 15 month old-sleeps only 40 minutes naps at times
« Reply #42 on: April 24, 2008, 10:29:26 am »
Still not quite sure what is going on here, but Layla has been wonderful and supportive.   :)

Oh I'm not suprised!!  Layla is da BOMB!  :D  She has helped me oh so many times!

Annie what if you try a short A time in the morning again, didn't that work a few days ago?

Hi Layla!  Funny you should ask...it's still too early to take a test but I think I am...I mean it's 3am and here I am awake and STARVING, LOL!  So if I am I'm sure I'll be around a bit more now!  :)


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Re: 15 month old-sleeps only 40 minutes naps at times
« Reply #43 on: April 24, 2008, 14:56:41 pm »
Oh gosh I am really lost here.

Put him into the crib at 10:50am, because he is messy AGAIN this am.  Please don't think I'm ignoring your advice Layla, because I know you think I need to push that nap later, but he banged his head three times in the last half hour.  I can't I just can't.

 :(

I promise I will push it later tomorrow if this backfires on me.  But late naps have backfired on me too.

The only thing that was sort of working was sticking to those 5-5.5 a-times, and even then we were still getting 5am wakes most days.

Tired tired tired.  Have I mentioned I am tired??

I am going to take a nap myself if I am able to shut my BW mind off for two seconds. ::)

He is crying in the crib. Sigh.
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Re: 15 month old-sleeps only 40 minutes naps at times
« Reply #44 on: April 24, 2008, 16:49:20 pm »
So he conked out at 11am! (I however, did not ;) )

It's a restless nap, but he WOKE UP at 1:45pm!!!  8)   Smiling and very very happy and rested!!

Ahh, it's the little victories in life!  How much longer 'til happy hour??  I can probably only handle 5 hours a-time until a cocktail!  ;) ;D  Anything longer than that and I will be OT!!!

Well girls?  Will still do a 6ish bedtime if you all think I should.

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