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Re: My 78th post about EWs
« Reply #105 on: February 03, 2010, 16:32:17 pm »
Hi Anna,
I just wanted to give some support, we've been struggling with EWs since my DD was a year old (She's now 22.5 months). I gave a lot of thought to the "hard wired to get up at 5:30am" theory, but when the clocks go forward, that should now be 6:30, right? but she always goes back to 5:30. And same thing when we hop 3 timezones. So it must be something to do with the schedule/routine. We've had some success pushing forward ALL activities. That means all meals, naps, everything. And then she teeths, or gets a cold, and it all goes back to 5:30 again. And this is after a bed time of 7:30 or 8:00. But I just keep trying.
Before you spend 250 pounds, do you want to try a $30US email consultation with this lady?
http://www.babysleepsite.com/baby-toddler-sleep-consulting-services/
I purchased one myself but then my DD magically started sleeping until 6:30 all of a sudden, so I haven't taken advantage of it yet.

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Re: My 78th post about EWs
« Reply #106 on: February 03, 2010, 16:40:05 pm »
Anna - I would say that you would really have to research before you do a 250 consult. Every single one that I have seen mentioned advocates CIO and believes that the LO are "manipulating"

I personally think you should try an earlier bedtime. It has solved the EW problem for you before, and I think if nothing else it will help him catch up on OT and then you can start fresh on a new routine. I would say, if you aren't working today and he takes a 1.5 hour nap then do a 6:30 bedtime. A 6:45 bedtime is what solved it for us. I think the fact that he was still tired after a longish nap yesterday shows how tired he is.

If nothing else, if he still wakes at 5:30 at least it is an 11 hour night.

I don't know, maybe he will get up even earlier, but he seems to really be stuck at 5:30 right now.

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Re: My 78th post about EWs
« Reply #107 on: February 03, 2010, 17:12:34 pm »
Well we had a sleep doula when Finn was first born because I was going out of my mind - reflux, no sleep, I was petrified to be home with him all day because I knew he wouldn't sleep.  She works with twins and triplets if you can imagine AND has 4 boys of her own lol.  She comes into the home and works with you to figure out what you can do.  She was staying in Finn's room for naps when we had her.  And she was not CIO or CC at all, so I was quite surprised.  She taught me about shush/pat before I even read BW.

So I agree with Sherry, about the research, you need someone who can understand what techniques you are not comfortable with and who is going to respect that.



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Re: My 78th post about EWs
« Reply #108 on: February 03, 2010, 17:19:01 pm »
((HUGS)) again Anna

I really think what you did today was OK, just my personal thoughts but, they aren't babies anymore - they KNOW we are there if we need them but if you've checked he hasn't got a poopy nappy, temperature etc then he is OK.  If it were me i would say to him at nighttime 'Mummy WILL NOT be awake tomorrow until bunny is awake, i am very tired and need to stay fast asleep til then'.  I know you won't leave him to cry though but maybe just silently check in on him every 5 mins and give minimal interaction?

you have tried so many routine variations there must be more to it than that???? now he is hopefully over any OT i would be tempted to have a fixed routine, if possible.  however i do think that teething makes them that bit more tired than usual........

I'm sure all of our well intended but contradicting advice must be very confusing  ??? i wish i lived nearer to you, i would seriously come round one night (if you wanted me to!) and listen in! is there anyway you could video his ew's and post them on the net for us to view??!!
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Re: My 78th post about EWs
« Reply #109 on: February 03, 2010, 18:05:53 pm »
Anna - I would say that you would really have to research before you do a 250 consult. Every single one that I have seen mentioned advocates CIO and believes that the LO are "manipulating"
I think I've found one Sherry. Something in my memory makes me think that Lotta is familiar with them - although I couldn't swear to it. My main concern is what if it doesn't work: £250 down the drain? I'd pay it for sleep, but can't afford it if nothing changes.

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I personally think you should try an earlier bedtime. It has solved the EW problem for you before, and I think if nothing else it will help him catch up on OT and then you can start fresh on a new routine. I would say, if you aren't working today and he takes a 1.5 hour nap then do a 6:30 bedtime. A 6:45 bedtime is what solved it for us. I think the fact that he was still tired after a longish nap yesterday shows how tired he is.

I've been at work today, my mum, bless her, is here giving Stan a bath (he REALLY needs one, had a poop accident) and then he will go to bed. Will prob be 6.45. But he only slept 1hr 10 at nursery.

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I don't know, maybe he will get up even earlier, but he seems to really be stuck at 5:30 right now.

DLS is coming soon here, when is it there?
Could be, was 5am this morning!  :o
DLS is last weekend in March.

I really think what you did today was OK, just my personal thoughts but, they aren't babies anymore - they KNOW we are there if we need them but if you've checked he hasn't got a poopy nappy, temperature etc then he is OK.  If it were me i would say to him at nighttime 'Mummy WILL NOT be awake tomorrow until bunny is awake, i am very tired and need to stay fast asleep til then'.  I know you won't leave him to cry though but maybe just silently check in on him every 5 mins and give minimal interaction?
tbh most mornings aren't that different. He gets more worked up if he sees me, so after the initial temperature/nappy/lovey check I stay out of sight and just call out to him every couple of minutes to tell him I'm here, it's not morning time yet. Sometimes will go and silently lead him back to bed every 5-10 mins if I am feeling charitable. I can't believe his tenacity, after weeks of this he still just cries and cries. A couple of moments this morning I thought he might be going to stop but no.

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I'm sure all of our well intended but contradicting advice must be very confusing  ??? i wish i lived nearer to you, i would seriously come round one night (if you wanted me to!) and listen in! is there anyway you could video his ew's and post them on the net for us to view??!!
LOL I am going to ask DH. He is such a tech geek he would love setting it up. It might mean you all seeing me in my nightie though ;)





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Re: My 78th post about EWs
« Reply #110 on: February 03, 2010, 20:35:50 pm »
*hugs* Anna.

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Re: My 78th post about EWs
« Reply #111 on: February 04, 2010, 02:50:05 am »
Hi Anna, my lo was awake at 4.45am....I was so angry...he slept for 2 hours yesterday afternoon from 12.00 - 2pm (he asked to nap)
Then was in bed at 7pm.
I went into his room at 4.45 and put on the white noise but no such luck he didn't fall back asleep.
So today he is in playschool and he will be exhausted come pick up time!
But I have decided that I am going to cut his nap shorter and move bedtime later.
So today he will be in bed around 12.30pm and I will wake him around 2pm (depending on how long it takes him to get to sleep, often after playschool it can take a little while)
Then bedtime will be  constant 7.30pm....(it is normally 7pm)
I have also been battling these since 14months.....but it has to stop!


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Re: My 78th post about EWs
« Reply #112 on: February 04, 2010, 09:21:42 am »
This is a very, very tiny victory but I know you ladies will celebrate it with me nonetheless. He had an early night yesterday (Sherry I think you are right). Was asleep before 7.15. Woke up at 5.15 :( BUT he wasn't crying hard - just moaning and doing his 'fake' cry - so I stayed totally quiet. He kept it up for 10 mins then went quiet and stayed quiet until his clock changed at 5.50. Lots of praise, he seemed quite pleased, and a bit later when we were downstairs he was saying to his bunny 'Well done Robert! well done staying quiet!' so I think he gets it.

It was still a very early start but at least he quieted down and I got to praise him for doing so.





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Re: My 78th post about EWs
« Reply #113 on: February 04, 2010, 09:40:55 am »
Yay let's hope it continues !!

you must feel so relieved that there's some potential there

Good boy stan (and Robert! )
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Re: My 78th post about EWs
« Reply #114 on: February 04, 2010, 09:46:05 am »
Really pleased for you.  At least now you know he knows IFYSWIM?!  No excuses for him now then!! :)
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Re: My 78th post about EWs
« Reply #115 on: February 04, 2010, 09:47:55 am »
I really think he got back into bed too, which is good (I checked under his duvet when I went in, it was warm in there). Fingers tightly crossed. Brad and I were discussing last night we prob shouldn't spend the £ on professional help until all his molars are out, that could be weeks yet.





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Re: My 78th post about EWs
« Reply #116 on: February 04, 2010, 09:49:46 am »
Before you spend 250 pounds, do you want to try a $30US email consultation with this lady?
http://www.babysleepsite.com/baby-toddler-sleep-consulting-services/

Tried her. the only thing she suggested that I haven't tried is keeping him up til 9pm or later :o for a couple of weeks - that's the last resort, it really feels wrong to me but I guess I would have to do it before I could say I have really tried everything.





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Re: My 78th post about EWs
« Reply #117 on: February 04, 2010, 10:00:10 am »
I like that idea Jane. He is very into helping Robert to pee on the potty, helping Robert go to sleep (he folds the bunny ears over the eyes so that Robert 'closes his eyes') etc.  :-*  :-*





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Re: My 78th post about EWs
« Reply #118 on: February 04, 2010, 14:13:15 pm »
Was just wondering this morning Anna whether you've thought about food intolerances as being a factor in the ews. It was so wierd that Joe reacted about 20 hours after he'd had the bread and of course it woke him up at 5.40. I've also wondered whether Joe has dairy intolerance as well as wheat too - I'm getting him tested.

Just a thought...

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Re: My 78th post about EWs
« Reply #119 on: February 04, 2010, 14:17:54 pm »
Wow, I've no idea. I don't think so because of that six weeks where he slept through til 7 every day?