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How do you DEAL with just won't eat supper
« on: July 16, 2011, 17:49:02 pm »
I'm perfectly happy to send him to bed without, but he WILL NOT STOP whining about wanting dessert! I am going to throttle him! And now bedtime will be a MESS and I will lose my sh!t because I am already on my last shred of patience, and then right when I'm about to turn his lights out he'll say 'I want to eat my supper now'. And I will say no and cue another half hour tantrum.

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Re: How do you DEAL with just won't eat supper
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2011, 18:01:20 pm »
For me, it depends how often you have dessert. We only have it on a rare occasion, so if DD knows it's coming chances are good that she won't eat much dinner (or any dinner) and then want dessert, so I just give it to her. However, after she eats dessert she will usually eat more of her dinner. :P

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Re: How do you DEAL with just won't eat supper
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2011, 18:07:22 pm »
We are the same, dessert is very rare, so if we do have it I let them get away with not eating much supper.  I think if asked I would let Masyn eat what was set out for supper, but nothing else.  We have a rule that if you don't like what is for supper you can have something else - as long as you can make it yourself! (this does not include candy, junk, etc as we don't keep that stuff in the house)
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Re: How do you DEAL with just won't eat supper
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2011, 18:10:39 pm »
We usually have either plain unsweetened yogurt or a banana. That's what he's crying for, or raisins, or a biscuit ( not that we usually have biscuits). He just wants domthibg that isn't what I prepared for dinner (which incidentally I know he likes but wouldn't even taste).





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Re: How do you DEAL with just won't eat supper
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2011, 18:13:30 pm »
That's what I"m trying to enforce Heidi, that if you don't eat what is for dinner there is no alternative. He wouldn't taste what is on his plate. Now it is 7.10 and he should be in PJs in bed having stories, but he won't let him help him get changed, won't get changed by himself, had to be carried up the stairs, and is just screaming in his room, it's no longer about dinner it's about not wanting to go to bed and 'I want to do a little bit of playing'. He lost his change for playing because he spent an hour whining about dinner!





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Re: How do you DEAL with just won't eat supper
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2011, 18:30:44 pm »
I think I am quite lenient but on the occassions we do have pudding which will usually be something like yoghurt I will let L leave some of her dinner and still eat dessert. Does he not eat any dinner?
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« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2011, 18:33:49 pm »
I would probably give DD the yogurt or fruit if she asked for it, but also give her some of what DH and I were having as well. I wouldn't go out of my way to make something different for her though. If she wanted a biscuit (which I assume is like a cookie?) or some other treat, that falls under rare occasion here so I give her one and then she eats her dinner. She eats healthy enough 99% of the time that I don't worry too much about what she eats, but she's normally pretty agreeable. If she started giving me problems about certain things, then I would talk to her away from the table about it and try to either come up with a workable agreement or just not buy the treat that is causing the problem. For instance, DD is OBSESSED with gum. We have a 2 piece rule. I put 2 pieces on the table and that's it for the day. She knows this and can chew her 2 pieces whenever she wants. Sometimes she picks times when I would have said no if she would have asked, like she likes to chew gum right before nap while we read books :P. But then she spits it out and that's that. If she would start putting up a fuss about wanting more than 2 pieces, I would just not buy gum.

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Re: How do you DEAL with just won't eat supper
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2011, 18:37:01 pm »
How about if you say yes you can have ..... after we have eaten dinner, so not like making him eat up all his dinner "or there is no dessert" but just so he knows he will get what he wants and doesn't need to worry about it?
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Re: How do you DEAL with just won't eat supper
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2011, 18:45:04 pm »
I tend not to offer the dessert if M doesnt eat or try dinner.  I had been just giving it anyway but it was getting silly with her refusing to eat or only eating a few bites and then a few minutes later asking for a yogurt or toast or something else.  We had two bad nights when she realised the rule had changed but since then she has been fine.  There have been nights she starts to refuse to eat and I'll remind her there is nothing else until she eats some dinner and that usually keeps her on track and if she doesn't want to eat she just gets down and then doesn't ask for anything else so I assume she just wasn't that hungry at dinner. 

Is this an ongoing thing Anna?  Or been going on for a while? I don't expect M to eat everything on her plate but I do expect her to give it a try so I am pretty fair to her. 

Hope he settles to bed.  I have to say in these sorts of cases I do remind M that it was her choice not to eat. So rather than try to reason just say 'mummy said you need to eat to get yogurt but you said no.  So next time when mummy says eat dinner you can choose to do that and then you'll not be so upset but for now we are finished talking about it'.  But they do know how to go on and on and on about things don't they? 


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Re: How do you DEAL with just won't eat supper
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2011, 18:46:51 pm »
Was going to suggest something similar: "Of course you may have [yogurt and fruit], just as son as you eat [supper/X amount of supper/X forkfuls of what's on your plate] - it''ll be waiting for you!"

There were times when with my kids I'd alternate, say, a blueberry and a bite of meal food so they were getting some of everything; they ate a fair amount of the meal that way, and as long as they did so, I was OK with it. Had it become an issue of "I won't eat my meal until I've had ALL the dessert," the dessert would have gone away or vastly reduced with the talk about real food being good fuel for bodies to keep us healthy and so on. (Not always without protest or argument, but they got the speech anyway more than once. ;D)

Another suggestion is to speak with him at the beginning of a day, remind him how unpleasant it was the night before with all the fussing about dessert and you're tired of the fussing and crying and screaming, so for a while you're not planning to buy any more dessert food until the issue is settled, or that IF there is dessert, it's going to be something small - for instance a slice of apple or a strawberry or two, and that's IT. But - perhaps he can have some input into his supper as a compromise. (And he may pick a piece of fruit, which is really OK, and which might not end up on his plate until at least some of the main course is eaten up. ;))

Alternately, you can remind him how unpleasant the night before was, tell him you're not prepared to deal with it again, and that if he throws the same kind of fuss, desserts will be gone for a few days until suppertime and bedtime have settled. How long "a few days" is is really up to you. :) Then he gets a chance to adjust his ways, and you can remind him during the day a few times and again at suppertime at the table - and if he throws a fit, so be it.

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Re: How do you DEAL with just won't eat supper
« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2011, 18:52:13 pm »
Yeh that's what I did Deb. I just got 15 mins of whining about 'If I eat supper my tummy will be too full for yoghurt.' He didn't touch his supper, not one bite.

I know about talking about it beforehand but this is not usually an issue. I don't want to raise it as being something he could do, if the evening is most likely to pan out fine. It's just that when things don't go well I've got no tools.






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Re: How do you DEAL with just won't eat supper
« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2011, 18:58:42 pm »
TBH this really wasn't about dinner. It could have been about anything. I guess the question is, how do you deal with a 3.5 year old who will not let it drop, even though they KNOW that no means no and who will perpetuate their own tantrum for hours, who has an answer for everything.

Stan KNOWS that he gets fruit or yoghurt or whatever when he has eaten his dinner. He KNOWS he doesn't have to eat everything on his plate, but he does have to taste it. He knows that food is fuel for our bodies. I won't let him only eat fruit because given that option he WILL only eat fruit and will eat it all day at the expense of anything else (and give himself tummy ache).

I'm not going to say that I'm not going to buy any more fruit or make any more plain yoghurt - we all eat those things and our house is seriously, literally, honestly  not big enough to hide a fruit bowl!





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Re: How do you DEAL with just won't eat supper
« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2011, 19:01:56 pm »
It's just that when things don't go well I've got no tools.
I'm finding this too but I do find that when things go belly up we just have to get through them best we can and then we can approach it the next day and hope it doesn't turn into a 'thing'.  I think the tools you have are just following through with whatever you said.  There are no tricks at this age to stopping the meltdown or their continued determination to wear you down.  I think this is just all part of the process of them learning to work through their disappointment of not getting what they want and eventually they will learn that mummy really does mean it so no point bothering with all the drama.  KWIM?


My Gran always offers M those hard sticky sweets which i don't allow her the have.  The other week when we were there I said no because they were bad for teeth and she had the most horrendous meltdown and would not calm down.  In the end I had to lift her and put her in the car and just go home.  I was near deaf by the time I got home and she kept on going for about an hour.  I felt so inadequate as I just didn't know what I should be doing other than say 'i know you are cross and disappointed mummy said you couldn't have a sweet'.   Later on we talked about it  and went back to my grans a few days later and it wasn't an issue at all.  She actually said 'no gran they are bad for my teeth' and she chose a plain biscuit instead.   So my 'tools' are what happened after the major incident but in the moment not a lot I can do but let her get over it and realise nothing is changing.  KWIM?  





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Re: How do you DEAL with just won't eat supper
« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2011, 19:07:40 pm »
Yeh. It just feels so wrong when I'm holding the door shut to keep him in his room. I just look at Brad and neither of us has a clue what to do. It ends up not even being about X any more, now it's just a battle of wills. Like, if the tantrum started off being about dinner, and ended up being about not wanting to go to bed, and it's already after bedtime, and he's howling and begging for a story, do I read the story, or add more fuel by saying 'It's too late for stories' (because you have been carrying on and wheedling and whining and anyway I don't feel like reading you a story because you are DOING MY HEAD IN, and any book I choose is wrong, yet you refuse to choose one).

For the record, I read the story.





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Re: How do you DEAL with just won't eat supper
« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2011, 19:14:45 pm »
Sorry for the serial posting, things just keep occurring.

I guess what it is, I don't know how to deal with anything that comes up within a couple hours of bedtime, because it will just run and run and end up with everyone in tears. So he could be being totally obnoxious, and I'm loathe to tackle it because I KNOW it is going to mean two hours of screaming, kicking hell and I don't have the darn energy for it.

PS thanks for the hugs. Feeling really worn down.