NAET (Nambudripads Allergy Elimination Technique) and IgG testing

[EloysH]

Anyone who has had experience with above tests or similiar for identifying and treating allergies and intolerances, please discuss 


A website about NAET:
http://www.naet.com/subscribers/what.html

[koe2moe]

Hi Eloise.  I am currently getting treatment from a NAET practitioner.  I have had about 11 or 12 treatments and self treated about 20 things or so.  I have another thread on the food allergies journaling my experience.

It's good to share and support each other. Hugsss

[~ Vik ~]

Wow, that's intriguing! Going to check out your other thread. Closest practitioner to us is 2h away though, which is a lot for a toddler when we have to go 15-20 times

[EloysH]

Cool,  We should swap notes.

Well I might share a little of our story and where we are at:

Kai has been on reflux meds since 3 weeks old for pretty severe reflux and I breastfed him  for 12 months on a strict ED without wheat, dairy,soy, low salicyalte, low amines, low glutamates, preservative and additive free.    It was ovious early on that he had major food issues and gut issues.  I followed the Royal Prince Alfred Hospital (RPAH) Elimination diet  and managed his and our diet wirth a paediatric allergist and supporting dietican linked in the the Allergy unit at the RPAH.   All his gut issues actually went away on the diet and jsut the relfux remained.  

 I completed some food challenges when he was around 5-9 months old I found out that he was salicylate sensitive and preservative and addtive sensitive, but ok for amines.  I never tested dairy until 12 months and he didn't do very well on 1 tablespoon of buffalo yoghurt per day at that age.  It took us about 4 weeks to figure out that his crying of 2 + hours a night was not due to props, teeth, sickness, but infact the dairy.  He is ok for butter though.  I wasn;t satisifed with the medical approach to food intolerances which was basically to keep introducing small amounts in order to build up his toelrance over time.   I felt I could do something to support his body and give it what was missing?  so I found a good naturopath and looked into many many alternative therapies and tried a few- acupuncture, kineasiology, osteopathy, NAET and wholistic chiropractic.

 I have completed a whole course of NAET for myself and for Kai at around 10 months  old.   Unfortunately it hasn't cured him.  It may have improved his tolerance levels but he certainly cannot tolerate much dairy, limited salicylates, limited preservatives and little bits of wheat only.  The practioner said that if he wasn't "cured' even though he shows as "clear" then we should pursue leaky gut however his gut is actually in very good health from a pooing perspective and he is not windy at all.  I am thinking of getting him retested soon as the poor old practicioner thinks we are doing ok I guess.

My naturopath's take on it  (who is my most trusted health advisor right now) was that the NAET only strengthens the immune system however cannot compensate for the daily load of toxins entering the body through the environment and foods - and for Kai, he seems to have issues detoxifying - that is one theory behind food intolerances.   We suspect he hasn't developed all the enzymes he needs for metabolising foods yet too.  Thus he is on supplements to assist his immune system and help detoxification.

 So I have been pursuing kineasiology and chiro treatments for him again. The kineasology has turned up that he is not producing certain chemicals requried for adequate detoxification and thus I have tweaked his supplements a little to try and compensate for this, basincally switched his B6 to a pure liquid form and upped his glycine.  I wish I could get a copy of the diagram showing detoxifcation pathways in the body and the chemicals that are produced and converted along the way (biochemisty seems so interesting now). Vitamin b6 seems to be a pre-cursor to so many of these!

Anyway, that's where we are at with managing food intolerances.......


anyone want to share experiences with, NAET, igG testing, kineasiology?

We never did IgG testing because it cost $400 and my naturopath said that it only follows one of the food intolerance pathways so you may get false negatives.  I am not sure how accurate the positive results are though?   My dietician and doctor of course said they are totally unvalidated  

[koe2moe]

Big hugs to you and salute for the challenge of handling the intolerances and seeking treatments.  Just a quick question now: what do you mean by a whole course with NAET?  And did your practitioner retest with combinations and retest what was treated when symptoms show again? 

I don't have much time to type now.  My symptoms went away pretty much about 6 weeks ago but then they came back upon new allergens.  I just got tested with combinations and they seem to be the culprit for now.  That's why I ask. 

[Mom to M&M]

<<<<waves to all>>>>

As most of you know, my DS had IgG testing done maybe 3-4 months ago. Found he was highly intolerant of cow's milk (whey portion especially) and almonds and moderately so to peanuts. We had suspected all since when we took his bottle away at 20 months or so he stopped drinking milk and shortly thereafter started sleeping better, pooping somewhat better, etc. But he was still having regular yogurt and pizza, etc. When we got the results back and cut out all cow's milk products completely he started sleeping MUCH better, poops cut down to 2 times a day most days (instead of 3-5 enormous ones), was less congested, less moody and eating better. We had also suspected peanuts and almonds after he'd have explosive diapers after either.

He used to get hives/rashes from coconut and from squash/pumpkin as well - and BAD NWs and diaper rash from the latter as well. But those did not show up on his tests. Perhaps they are a different sort of reaction and/or it had been too long since he had ingested those products (he hadn't had them in 4-6 months at least). He was also IgE tested but nothing positive there.

Our practitioner says that if something is negative but you are still seeing a reaction to cut it out for 3-6 months before trying again - it could be another sort of reaction other than IgE or IgG. She strongly believes the positive results as she has seen amazing results with her patients and her own son! I myself am going to see her at the end of August and get tested as well. And a friend of mine had her two sons go. One was found to have strong intolerances to milk, wheat and egg. And since removing those from his diet his congestion is 99% better! He used to have constant ear infections (then got tubes), then asthma, then needed adenoids removed, etc but was still congested before the dietary changes.

Have to run but will try to post more later and will definitely be reading along!

[Grants]

Hi ladies,

Eloise what a journey!!!Phew! I’m glad things have improved for you and that you now know most of Kay’s triggers/intolerances.

Wow, that's intriguing! Going to check out your other thread. Closest practitioner to us is 2h away though, which is a lot for a toddler when we have to go 15-20 times

Vikki, that is the main reason we are trying to treat the whole family together. The closest practitioner is approximately 1 hour away from us, so we are trying to make the most of the journey. 2 hours would be pretty hectic with a toddler!

Karen, I’m also amazed by Matthew’s improvements! I hope you can re-introduce some of the culprit foods very soon!

DH and I are currently going through the NAET treatment. I have serious allergies to all kind of pharmaceutical drugs and conventional allergists and immunologists can’t treat or even fully understand my condition. 

My DS has been through a whole course of NAET treatment for his eczema and eyes’ discharges (both of which conventional doctors failed to treat). We managed to sort out the eyes’ discharges. The eczema has improved a lot but it hasn’t gone away. I instinctively knew there was some other stuff to be looked at. Unfortunately we don’t have a Naturopath. I could search harder for one but we don’t have the money right now because we have been spending a fortune with our treatments!  I have avoided dairy in the past to try and heal M’s eczema (before treating M with NAET) to no avail. I wonder …

1)   if I should try and avoid dairy again, now that his immune system is stronger after the treatment?

2)    I also thought about asking the NAET practitioner to use Kinesiology to ask questions about what may be causing the eczema and then I could avoid those substances/foods for a while until he outgrows it?

3)   I wonder if you, lovely ladies, mind helping me coming up with a list of foods and substances more likely to cause eczema. After I have a list I will book my DS a last appointment with our NAET practitioner to try and get an answer about what to avoid until he outgrows his intolerances.

Eloise, you seem to have a lot of experience with NAET, Kinesiology and others approaches, which I’m not very familiar with such as IgG. What do you think about my ideas above? What does your Kinesiologist do ATM? Does she/he ask questions about Kay’s conditions? Is that how you found out about the under production of chemicals for detoxification? I also have problem with detoxification. My liver was very weak before I started NAET and now I can eat red meat and drink red wine without feeling sick. I think this is one of the main reasons for my allergies. My body find it hard to detox pharmaceutical drugs through my liver.

[koe2moe]

Ok. Back to give background.  I had about 9 months of repeated tonsillitis, with fever which got up to 40C in the last two months of that period, sinusitis, overall back pain and muscle pain.  Had referrals to internist and then to an Ear Nose Throat specialist and had CT scan as ENT was determined to remove my tonsils!  Turned out that my IgD was double of normal range and my tonsils and sinus were all clear even 4 days after the ENT checked them and told me that I needed surgery. His recommendation was to seek acupuncture to improve my immunity as they all believed that it was bad luck to have repeated infections of the same kind.

Kilkoz, Chris, on here suggested me to go off bread as it was causing her problems and they went away just by eliminating wheat products.  I tried and didn't get infections for 6 weeks and I ate bread again for 5 days and infections came back.  So I concluded that the bread did cause something but were there other things as I wasn't feeling particularly healthy even without the infections?

I heard from a friend 6 months prior to the discovery that her lifelong eczema was completely cured through NAET and if my mysterious illness didn't go away itself, it's perhaps worth trying.

I told the internist about the bread elimination and she tested me on IgD but she couldn't tell what caused the hyperactivity and closed my case and wished me luck.  

I started going to NAET and it's all sumarised in my other thread.  At this point, I can eat bread without problem.  I am not allergic to honey as tested by NAET but I'm reacting badly to the honey we eat daily!  so I will have to treat it.  I was having infection symptoms the whole of last week and now I have the muscle pain, back pain and stomach bloating as I type.  

Hugs to you all who are suffering from allergies!  

[Grants]

Posted the same time as Koe.

I was having infection symptoms the whole of last week and now I have the muscle pain, back pain and stomach bloating as I type.

So sorry to hear you are feeling poorly again It is so frustrating
((((hugs))))

[koe2moe]

Thanks, Grant.  If you gut feeling is dairy, I think it's worth eliminating for 2 weeks and then reintroducing it and see if it makes any difference.  Hugs to you, too

[Grants]

I wish I could get a copy of the diagram showing detoxifcation pathways in the body and the chemicals that are produced and converted along the way (biochemisty seems so interesting now).

I dropped my Dietetics degree 10 years ago before moving to England and Biochemistry was indeed my favourite subject! You can find a lot of info like this in biochemistry books. It is mind blowing!

If you gut feeling is dairy, I think it's worth eliminating for 2 weeks and then reintroducing it and see if it makes any difference.

I don't really have a gut feeling for dairy tbh. M seems to do well with dairy, although I limit his dairy intake as IMO dairy is not very good for you. I normally give him rice milk and/or coconut milk to drink but I allow him to have cheese, butter etc...

I have heard that dairy could be a cause for eczema. Perhaps it would be better to get him tested through Kinesiology before I cut anything? That's why I was asking for help with a list of culprits.

You mentioned that your friend got cured for eczema with NAET. What was her allergen/trigger?

[koe2moe]

My friend is on long vacation now so I can't reach her.  I remember that she had eczema and hay fever and was sneezing every morning. 

According to the living pain free book, commonly seen allergens for eczema are:
Basic ten (egg mix, calcium mix, vitamin C mix, B complex, Sugar mix, Iron mix, Vit A mix, Mineral mix, Salt mix and Grain mix), proteins, milk products, Vit C products, wheat products, sugar products, fish and shell fish, nuts, prescription drugs, vitamin supplements, herbs, trace minerals, fruits, corn, starches, chromium, parasites, city water, vegetable and animal fats, chewing gums, candy, chocolate, food additives, cosmetics, body lotions, detergents, fabric softeners, fabrics, carpets, pets lactic acid, sweat, heat, humidity.

From my personal experience, I started having eczema only late May.  It was much better after I got treated for dust mix and dust mite combination but the eczema shifted location on my body and it was bad.  I then treated grass mix myself and the itch was gone completely.  That was on 30 jun but the skin still feels rough at some parts.  So for me, the allergens that caused it are not on that list.

[Grants]

M was already tested for most of them? He was not tested for chewing gum and candy as he doesn't have them and not for pets lactic acid. I will try to make a long list before I book the appointment.I was thinking dairy, SLS and not sure what else?

[Grants]

Sorry on my phone and posted before finishing by mistake... Although I can still put those which he already tested strong on my list as the appointment will be more about asking what to avoid instead of looking for allergens he already tested strong for. Thanks Koe

[sherry lynn]

Since soy is also a protein and it's on the list what about cutting soy? Soy causes big reactions here, maybe even more so then milk.