Anyone Want To Talk About The 2-1 Transition? Thread #20

[j.and.e]

Ok so 20 min am nap, 1.5hr pm nap up at 2.30 bt 7.15. Already up screaming at 8.15. Ugh. xx

[*Kara*]

Yikes j.ande - I almost think that getting to that 20 min nap is a reason to just push for the single nap.  I use the 20 min CN only if I get a crazy EW and need to catch up lost night sleep now.  I find that 2 naps always creates a shorter night... even a 20 min one... not to mention that crab apple baby that I get in between those naps

gwcarnes - Personally, I can't get my DD to nap any sooner than 4 hours A time, so a short nap after less A time does not work here at all.  Even in the car... As for an early nap causing an EW - any nap that takes place before a full  A time will encourage a shorter night for most LO's.  What I do with the short nap when I do need it is plan a shopping trip and leave the house 30 mins early - this makes LO pass out at the 4 hr mark and then I wake her and get into the store - this part tends to subdue the grumpy bear in her since she has something to look at besides me

I am in new territory today!  Alexandra went to bed last night at 7pm without a peep - had a rough first few hours (likely bothered by her runny nose that is teething related - she had pain meds though).  Slept well until 455am - woke but was able to resettle after a short babble for about 10 mins.  Then she continued to wake and doze until I got her up at 715am!  Now we are dealing with total nap refusal - it's after 1pm!  I took her to play group this morning and she managed a 5 min CN on the way home around 1055am.. so we stopped at the grocery store for about 30 mins and then home (she stayed awake)... rubbed her eyes at noon so I got her bottle and off we went.  She didn't finish her bottle - pushed it out after 3/4 of it and started saying "da-da!"  Ugh.  DH is at work.  I ignored her and put her to bed... only to listen to her babble and coo until almost 1pm... then she started to cry.  Up I went - she was standing in the crib (first time!) and I don't think she could get back down... so by then she was gonna for sure be OT, snuggled her and she passed out.  Put her down asleep and left the room, 5 mins later - the cooing starts again!  WTH?!  Clearly she is tired at this point!

[katiepierce]

Gosh Kara, how blimmin stressful! I hope she got some sleep in the end

We had a 1 nap day again -
7.15 awake
11.45 - 1.45 nap
6.10 - asleep

Is this going to backfire on me? Never thought we'd be on 1 nap days at just shy of 11 months! Obv if he doesnt pull out another 13 hour night for me again we're going to have to rethink tomorrow...just dont know what to aim for : /

X

[*Kara*]

She did finally go to sleep just after 1pm - it's been about half an hour  I'm not too concerned, EBT is always the back up plan here!

Katie - you might be just fine!  I know all about the fear of putting them down before 7pm... our earliest was 640 during the first few weeks of transition and she slept 12 hrs any time we did an EBT  Fingers crossed!

ETA - just woke screaming at 45 mins    Fingers crossed for a resettle!

[j.and.e]

Yes, am not sure what 2do tomorow! I wondrd bout a long nap w. CN if not long enuf,but what time wudit be? He will go down easily for an am nap anytime. I think he can do bout 2.5h after 20mins xx

[gwcarnes]

Well better night last night for us girls no cry outs but EW was 4:20 this MORNING!!!!!  I left her in the crib and she whinned around until 5:30 so I got her up then.  I know what I did wrong as soon as I heard her this morning I though " I didn't give her enough A time between pm nap and BT she only had 4 hrs. or so.  You girls are great!  Everything you have told me seems to be working.  Now here is EAS today, fingers crossed for a good night and NOT an EW.

5:20- up
9:00- S ( but she didn't go right to sleep her and sister talked for a while till 9:15). Got her up at 9:40, so she only slept 25 minutes.
12:30-2:30-S ( sister woke her)
7:30-BT
Finger crossed for a peaceful night.  Thanks for all your help so far girls.  Let you know how tonight goes.

[lily528]

Another rough one....1.5 hr nap and took me over and hr at BT which I only ended up having to put her on her crib and walk out. She just screamed in my arms. Kept saying eat again. I did get her a snack but it wasn't enough then she pushed it away anyway. What is this BT resistance?  Never had it before. Her nights are good but naps not so much. OT??  This was our last 2 days

Yesterday
WU 8
Nap FINALLY 2:20:3:05
BT tried @ 6:45 asleep close to 8 after A LOT of APing.

Today
WU 7:15
Nap 12-1:25
BT tried at 7 asleep at 8!!!!

Both nights took me an hr to get her to sleep. Yesterday's nap took a long time too but today was 1 2 3. Advice?

[*Kara*]

We are going through the same thing Melissa - doesn't matter if her A times are short or long... same resistance... I finally think I have it figured though - SA!  It never occurred to me but since Christmas is coming, DH is working more nights (he is a retail manager and the store is open late every night until Christmas now) and DD is finishing her bottle at bedtime/nap time and sitting up and saying Da-da!  She has never done this consistently before... she is clearly tired, but she is very reluctant to go to sleep... on her own, with AP, doesn't matter.

[clairebear79]

Gosh ladies I don't know!  We are at the opposite end of the scale.  After what I thought was quite a good day yesterday:

wu: 6                 (after 12hr night - thank God!)
Nap:11.15 - 1.15 (PD at 10.55 but chattered for 20 mins - UT???)
BT:  6.35            (thought 12.5hr day would be good & he was asleep within moments of being PD)

Several ENW's then he started stirring at 4.55am, wide awake at 5.10am.  So at best 10h 35, at worst 10h 20 sleep.  Why oh why???  The ENW's don't suggest UT to me - in fact they suggest the opposite & the short night/EW is usually the same for us.  Watcha think?  Ladies I feel like we are going backwards with our naps.  Everyone elses LO's are resisting naps & going down later - our WU's are coming earlier & so is nap b/c he can't make it to usual naptime.  Is he trying to tell me he needs more A somewhere???  Is this OT happening b/c his routine isn't right somewhere???

I wish someone could help me.  I really don't know what to do anymore.  We've another 6hrs A to naptime at 11am, so even if I want to start pushing his nap out it means we have 6hr+ A times to cope with every single day.  I can only assume I'm getting the A time to BT wrong - but is it too long or too short???  Or his nap too long???  I really can't believe that at 15months I need to start capping his nap shorter than 2hrs.

To add to it all - we've also got diarrhoea today.  He had loose BM's yest & today his bum is red raw.  I have really had enough of all this illness.

[amom526]

Claire-I feel you're frustration. I have no solid advice because I'm totally lost with you. Following the same schedule we had been of 1 hour am nap, 3.25 A, long afternoon nap up by 4- ds actually slept through the night. Down at 645 up at 545. But the. He refused pm nap yesterday. Am nap was 10-11, and he did not fall asleep for pm nap until 330! We woke him at 4 and he was not even tired at his 645 bt! I thought he would have a good night, but he was up 320-420 and now up for the day at 6. What should I do with naps?

Should I try 1 nap for a few days? Part of me wants to do that because he loooves early bt, but idk if he can do a long enough morning A yet.

But first I need to make up lost sleep so should I do 2 naps today same as u have been doing? Also he is tugging his ear, but my six said he would most likely be congested if it was an ear infection, and he has none of that...

[clairebear79]

amom - could he be teething?  ear pulling can be a sign of that too.

WRT nap - IIWM I wouldn't go straight to 1 nap from a 1hr AM nap.  First of all I would cut the AM nap back a little shorter - try 45mins to start with & hopefully he should go down for his PM nap better.  It might take a few days of trial & error to find the right A time before that PM nap - but give it & shot & see what happens.  If you get the timing right, that might be all that is needed.  If in a week things are still looking wonky I'd shave another 15mins off the nap.  To go to 1 nap he needs to handle around 5hrs A either side of his nap.

Well I've held O out until 11.10 for his nap today - a whole 6 hrs.  I think I just have to be brutal & keep him up regardless & get that nap pushed out til after lunch.  We're not going to get a later WU if the nap stays early are we?

[j.and.e]

This is so tricky! ds1 usd to do two 1.5hr naps and sleep 7-6.30 right until he refusd his pm nap and nursery advicd us to do 1nap after lunch which workd fine and we got a few wks of 13hr nights until he adjusted. Ds2 is crazy! Up at 5.30 today, but i kept him in his cot sleeping fitfully till 6.50. Nap 1 20 min 9.55-10.15 Nap2 just gone down at 1pm (pd at 12.50 but chatted for 10mins.) Am not sure how long to keep going like this, as dunno whether he would sleep better at nite on 1nap or just be more OT. Really what is the point of a 20min nap!! Still i suppose its my own fault as i cud let him sleep more but i hate having him up late!! Ds1 usd to nap till 4.30 and still go to bed no prob at 7! If i let Ds2 sleep that late in the afternoon i think he wud be putting me to bed at nite! Xx

[clairebear79]

LOL IKWYM!  Yes there is very little point in a 20min nap.  I think if you do that for a few days & see if it helps your WU then you might be in a better position to try 1 nap.  Doing it from a 5.30am WU is very tricky believe me.

O went down for his nap at 11.10am (WU at 5am) & I jet him sleep.  He woke at 1.30 so 2h 20 sleep.  Now I don't know when to do BT - any thoughts???  5hrs A would put us at 6.30pm BT but maybe that's too short after a 2h 20 nap???  Not forgetting he already did 6hrs A before his nap of course.  If I hold him out til 7pm he'll have done a 14hr day.  14hr days on 1 nap are not good.  Oh boy I really hope I'm not going to regret doing that tomorrow.

[katiepierce]

He He! J and E your post made me smile! Right there with you in not wanting LO up into the evening...I NEED my 'you' time!

I wish I could offer everyone (or even someone!) some advise as everyone seems to be having such a hard time at the moment. More hugs to all  

We got 5.30 this morn after one nap and 6.15 ebt   But to be fair to him I did go into the worst runny horrible nappy/sheets/pjs I've ever seen. He's back down with d&v today...poor wee man he's only just got rid of one lot. Anyway changed him and bed and put him back down and he went quiet till 6.30 but not sure that he went back to sleep.

He was shattered this morning so put him in at 9.40 for a 20 min nap. I'm with you JandE, I hate these! Felt just awful waking him up and he was so grumpy and clearly still wanted to be asleep. He was down again at 12.30.

Just want to be consistently on one nap. Although girls, I can see that the problems dont stop there!

Hope everyone is getting a good nap? How long did O sleep for Claire?

X

[clairebear79]

2h 20mins.  I let him sleep.  I couldn't bring myself to wake him.