Early wakings worried this will continue forever!!

[megsd]

Thanks!!
I usually give him tylenol & I gave him some not long before bed but none during the night, I am not sure I ever have but I could try it. Today I tried advil to see if that was any better.
E 5.45
A
S 7.30 -9.40
E 9.45
A
S 12.10 -1.15
E 1.25
A
S 3.35

I just put him down so we will see how long he sleeps but I will try EBT tonight to see if that helps again and maybe if he wakes in the night I will give him some pain meds again.
thanks for all your support

[megsd]

Last Night
EBT 6.20 asleep by 6.30 (the last nap yesterday only went til 4)
10 awake I gave him tylenol back to sleep for 10min then awakeagain ssh pat back to sleep
12 feed
1.45 awake his dad put him back and im sure he used rocking to get him asleep
4 feed
5.15 awake for the day
Is it still OT or is there something I am missing? He wakes up grumpy so I know he is still tired but I just can't seem too get him back down. I really just don't know???

[katie80]

Hmmm, he's not easy to figure out, is he?   Are you burping him at the NFs?  I notice that he's waking within a couple hours of each one, so I'm wondering if he's not suffering from some gas.  Has he started any solids?

It's likely a bit of OT still as the day was quite long from 5:45am-6:30pm with ~3.5 hr day sleep. Nothing seems to work to get him back to sleep at that EW?  What if you just picked him up and rocked with him for a few days to try to get the day started at a better time?  Would he go back to sleep on you?

[megsd]

No he is not easy to figure out somedays, you are right!! No I don't burp him at the NF cause he usually just falls asleep and I put him straight to his crib. It could be that cause he is very gassy. I could try it. I haven't started him on solids yet I was going to wait for 6 months.
He did go to sleep really good last night so EBT is a good idea, I now understand he probs is OT. I haven't rocked him cause i didn"t want to start AP but i could try just to get through them til he moves past it. Maybe ill try both those tonight!
Thanks again. Ill keep you posted!!

[megsd]

Last night:
BT 7 - took him quite a long time to settle
11 awake again took quite a long time to settle
12.45 feed and burped him
3.15 feed and burpeed him
4.44 awake -dad and I both tried to rock him. finally got him up at about 5.30
I just don't know what else to try, I feel like I am missing something or not doing something right??

[katie80]

Are you still pushing those A times? Maybe he needs more of a push and to drop the CN to have the drive to go back to sleep in the morning. He does seem OT, but maybe it's stemming from not getting enough A throughout the day. My kids have always gone back down at that EW under 6 mo, with some type of AP, so maybe we need a different angle. I'll see if I can't get another pair of eyes on this for you.

[megsd]

Yesterday
W 5.15
E 5.30
S 7.30-9.45
E 10
S 12.10 -1.30
E 2
S 4.20-5
E 5.05
Start BT routine at 6.20 bed just before 7 but sleep not til 7.15
So I thought I was pushing the A time pretty good but maybe not enough?

Today he has been fairly grumbly, I am guessing casue he was up so early. Although we never actually took him out of his room til 5.30
S 7.30-8.55
E 9.10
A
S 11.15 I tried to push this longer but he was getting so upset that I thought he might just start to get OT so I put him down.

What should I be doing for A with him at this age? He has a exersaucer, jumparoo, we go for walks, play on the floor, he is learning to sit now so we practice that alot. He also really likes to stand and these days he tries to stand and hold onto things so we do that. He is also will hardly let me leave him alone these days, it seems more so when he is tired. Somedays I have to be holding him as soon as I put him down even if I am beside him he gets upset.

[megsd]

He only slept today til 11.50. Again I tried to rock him to sleep & he'll lay there for a bit eyes wide open then he gets mad and starts to wriggle and cry arch his back maybe hes tired & im not trying hard enough?

[katie80]

Yeah, you are pushing them. I guess I wondered if he could do a bit more for the second A, as after a really long nap, you're not always getting a full second one. It's like he's catching up from the night in the first nap, but then ends up a bit UT for the next cycle, so doesn't do a full nap and then is OT by the end of the day. Yesterday, the 35 min nap was likely OT though, as he'd been up so early and not done the long am nap that he usually does.

The activities you've listed are very age-appropriate. Since he's a bit touchy, I would just try to do lower-key activities about 20 min before wind down. So, carry him around the house and point out different objects or just sit in his bedroom with some soft music on. Hopefully this will rule out any overstimulation, but I don't think that seems to be a huge issue for him.

Maybe his touchiness/grumpiness also prevents him from being APd back to sleep at the EW and short naps. It could be too stimulating.

[ZacsMumme]

Hi there,
Give his age and being touchy he may be also sensitive to developmental leaps. there is one right about now and these can mess with sleep!
http://blogginaboutbabies.wordpress.com/2009/04/14/wonder-week-26/
Any new milestones, trying to crawl or sit?

My boy did this at this age and really you have to keep pushing that first A...it's hard but I would try to not allow a nap before 8am, then if LO wakes early from the nap (OT) use APOP to get him back to sleep. The early nap is becoming a extension of his night sleep.

As Katie says, if you get a good nap then push that next A closer to 2.5/3 hrs and if not give a shorter 2nd A.

[megsd]

Ok thanks I will push that first sleep as long as I can. Yes he has just learnt to sit and when he rolls to his tummy he is trying to move. So far he can only move himself a bit on his tummy or move in another direction.
Should I still try for 3 naps a day?

Thanks for the link to the blog, it looks very helpful!

[katie80]

Should I still try for 3 naps a day?

Yes, at this point I would. As you push the As out a bit and hopefully the morning catches up, you'll get closer to dropping it.

[ZacsMumme]

I agree, for now keep it, your day may get a little longer, but hopefully in a few weeks you can drop it

[megsd]

Ok so does that also mean that I migh have to push his BT a bit later as well? If he is getting 3 good sleeps a day and I am pushing his A time as long as I can each time and for example his last nap doesn't end til 5.30 should I try to push his BT later as well then? Do I limit the amount of his last nap time then also?
thanks so much for all the advice

[katie80]

Ok so does that also mean that I migh have to push his BT a bit later as well?

Possibly, it kind of depends what the day looks like.  He should be having 2 full naps of 1.5-2hr and a CN of 30-45 min.  Likely the A time after the CN will be around 2 hr max if it's before bedtime.  If you get a shorter CN type nap during the day and aren't able to resettle, you can let the third one go longer.  If you get to the point of the day getting too long though, it doesn't always help the EW, so that's when you start cutting out the CN. HTH!