Still having NWs at 18 months.

[Truly Blessed]

Good Luck Honey, I know sometimes you have to stick with a plan for a few days to let it settle in before ruling it out.

x,

[Jem88]

Lastnight wasn't too bad, she cried out at 10.35pm but i didn't need to go in, she then woke at 11.30pm crying and wriggling around picking her up, stroking her didn't do anything but she then stopped after a few mins and went back to sleep. She then slept 7hrs and was up for the day at 6.35am. A 10hr night.

She'd done a horrible soft/sloppy poo which smelt awful sometime during 11.30-6.30am so i'm thinking she may of had a sore tummy at 11.30?

Will stick with the 5hr A and then a 2hr nap - will then ask my mum to have her in bed for 5.5hr and then we'll see when she settles. x

[Truly Blessed]

She'd done a horrible soft/sloppy poo which smelt awful sometime during 11.30-6.30am so i'm thinking she may of had a sore tummy at 11.30?

Ah bless her.

will then ask my mum to have her in bed for 5.5hr and then we'll see when she settles. x

IIWM I'm not sure I wouldn't do this ^ Hon  If she does generally need a longer A time than most her age after a 2 hour nap, then I would be tempted to put her down after 5.45 A time so as to avoid her being UT and taking too long to settle again..do you know what I mean  I think she probably needs her day to be 13 hours long with a 2 hour nap. So today would look like this:

6.35 WU

11.30 to 1.30 nap

7.30 BT

What do you think 

There are Lo's out there that deal much better with not allowing settling time. And if they're PD bang on when they're ready to go over, they manage to do it straight away. I have never allowed settling time for some more than 10 mins or he would always create and end up with a later nap or BT due to UT.

Vicki.x.

[Jem88]

Ah you could be right, I'll go with the routine you posted and ask mum to have her in bed for 7.30pm and hopefully she'll settle ok and not play around for ages lol. x

[Truly Blessed]

Hope it works Jem..it's about time we cracked the formula for her eh  God only knows how these 'Go with the flow' parents survive LOL 

x.

[Jem88]

Hmmm, so she was asleep for 11.30am but woke chatting at 12.50pm so a 1hr 20min nap, maybe she was a little UT after doing a full 7hr stretch before wake up this morning?

She's just gone with my mum and i asked her to have Sophie bathed and in bed for 6.45pm. x

[Jem88]

So.. Sophie was asleep just before 8.00pm, mum said she stirred a few times but didn't wake and then woke for the day at 6.40am. She should be back any min now so i'm going to put her down for her nap at 11.30am and hopefully she'll sleep 2hrs. Just over 7hr before bed, so i guess her 10.5hr night wasn't too bad - alot better than last sat lol. x

[Truly Blessed]

So she still took over and hour to settle after even a longer A time..what was it 5.45 to PD 

x.

[Jem88]

I asked mum to have her in bed for 6.45pm which would of been 5hr 55min a and she took until just before 8.00pm to settle. Mum said by that time Sophie was getting abit upset and hitting herself/biting her fingers but she'll of been way OT by that point as she woke after 1hr 20min nap.  x

[barbaraz78]

Just jumping here for some thoughts. Some of you know that my theory is that if a kid is prone to ew (like my and Claire's ds) he needs longer morning A time. If, on the other hand, he's prone to long settling time at bt, he most likely needs long afternoon A time. So, I think gou received a great advice in lengthen the afternoon A time. That said, I also had similar experience of Claire, with my ds needing 30-60 mins (or even more) to settle at bt at 18 months, and this lasted for a couple of months in total. It was fully developmental, and it stopped by itself.
The other thing is that my ds always did short nights (10.5-11), and required a long nap. Any attempt to cap it sborter than 2 h before2 yo resulted in an ot kid and made nights even worse, with night terrors in addition.

[Truly Blessed]

Some of you know that my theory is that if a kid is prone to ew (like my and Claire's ds) he needs longer morning A time. If, on the other hand, he's prone to long settling time at bt, he most likely needs long afternoon A time. So, I think gou received a great advice in lengthen the afternoon A time.

But not so good in recommending the early nap.. which could be absolutely right, I agree. The only thing is as you may well know, when you extend both am and pm A times you end up with a very long day and OT perpetuates, so then what  needing to cap the nap  it's so hard. My Sam used to be an early waker for some time too  . But henever needed a super long A time in the morning to improve, which is why it is so bloomin' hard to figure these little monkeys out 

The other thing is that my ds always did short nights (10.5-11), and required a long nap. Any attempt to cap it sborter than 2 h before2 yo resulted in an ot kid and made nights even worse, with night terrors in addition.

Yeah agreed  I did suggest to Jem that this may be the case and she said she just want hers to sleep well and isn't concerned when she gets her sleep IYKWIM 

So...Jem, I guess your options are to try sticking with the earlier nap and the longer pm for a few days to see what happens, then you can rule it our if it doesn't help.

Then you can try what Barbara is suggesting which will mean pushing the morning out, but you will have to reign the afternoon in again and hope the long am overides short pm......otherwise you're back to capping  . I have a feeling this is what you've already tried though isn't it 

Is that what you did Barbara 

Vicki.x.

[barbaraz78]

I am not sure I have been understood: I was actually telling that since Jem's lo doesn't seem suffering ew, but rather long time for bt settling, I agree that keeping the long afternoon nap could be the key. I am not sure about themorning A time, and my feeling about this is the same of Vicki (I think). I would also keep the morning relatively short (5 h seem quite short to me and just fine) because two long A times seem too much for a young age. If it doesn't work still, keep in mind that it could be developmental. This was the sense of my message. My case was different because F suffered more of ew and a too short morning A always led to ew, but this seem not the case of Jem's dd.

[Jem88]

Thanks for all the advice, it's really appreciated

She did another 2hr nap today but stirred at 1hr 25min mark but didn't wake. She only really has really long A times of 6.5hr + when she's stopped at my mums which i guess this isn't really too much of a problem as it's only every sat night as lastnight she did a 10.5hr night which is still okay. Tonight she was in her cot for 7.35pm and was asleep just before 7.50pm so a 6hr A.

I actually don't mind if LO wanted to do a short 10.5-11hr night and then a long nap as long as this didn't make her OT. So far she seems to be sleeping well on a 2hr nap which i didn't think she would, so i think I'll stick with the short 5hr A, 2hr nap unless she wakes herself before then like yesterday and then 6hr A before bed for a few more days and see how she goes. Today went:

Up - 6.40am
Nap - 11.50am - 1.50pm
Bed 7.50pm

A 13hr 10min day as she took a little longer to settle at nap time. x

[Truly Blessed]

I'm sorry Barbara, the fact is I have too many threads going round in my head and I was thinking that Sophie was prone to EW when all this started but in fact she wasn't (I don't think)  So I was thinking that you were recommending the same as worked for Claire's Oliver which was long am, so I was a little confused as to how a long pm could be a godo thing as well LOL right I will  now as I bet you and Jem are really confused.

I totally see what you are saying now and I think it makes perfect sense...thank you  .

Jem it looks like a good plan to me, I'm so glad she is getting a lovely restorative nap 

TTFN

Vicki.x.

[barbaraz78]

No problem Vicki! I see you have many posts going on and you're doing a GREAT job following all these different cases.
I am happy she's doing well now. A 10.5 h night is still good with a 2 h nap, especially if she sstn.