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Slow or no letdown
« on: December 16, 2014, 14:29:08 pm »
Any of you guys who are breastfeeding ever had an issue with slow letdown in the evening? This is happening to me only at the bedtime feed (probably when I am most anxious?) Mostly, its DD as she doesn't even try to suck..just hangs around waiting..it is infuriating but most times I manage. But today she was actually doing her part...granted in fits and starts but still. After half an hour of this, her wailing and me getting more and more anxious, I tried to pump till letdown but I was way too wound up for that and since I am alone with her, I couldn't calm her and pump at the same time. Ended up giving her a bottle, which I hate doing.

When these things happen before BT, I panic, which does not help one bit. Any idea what I could do to prevent this from happening again? -- Besides not panicking:)

Before nursing her I,
- Drink water
- exhale and then count 7 in /11 out
- sniff at her hair
What else can I do?






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Re: Slow or no letdown
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2014, 04:08:53 am »
Mine was always a bit slower at that last feed before bed, but weirdly the baby being fussy and upset would actually bring on let down!
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Re: Slow or no letdown
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2014, 04:36:39 am »
Sometimes she whines like a puppy and that actually helps. Why does this have to be so tough!?






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Re: Slow or no letdown
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2014, 07:33:35 am »
Hon, can you post your feeding routine? We had that when cluster feeding and you will be surprised what was the reason:).
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Re: Slow or no letdown
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2014, 08:06:59 am »
Hi Marta. Okay so.. she is doing 3.20 A time with 2 naps of 1.5 hours with BT at 7.
At wakeup - feed 1 with a top-up 30 minutes before nap
after wu from nap 1 - feed again with top up 30mins before the second nap
after wu from nap 2 - feed
right before bed - feed (I used to split this feed around bath BUT now her last nap ends at 4.30 sometimes even 5, so not necessary anymore)

WDYT? I was wondering whether it was due to pumping..but I have no problem at any other time and not even at this feed on days when she is patient and actually does her part.






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Re: Slow or no letdown
« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2014, 08:59:23 am »
So can you please paste hours?
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Re: Slow or no letdown
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2014, 10:15:29 am »
Okay..normal day k?

7 - WU and feed 1
8.30 - solids (BLW so basically nothing much)
10 - small top up feed
nap 1 - 10.20 - 12ish
12 - feed 2
2.45/3 - top up
3.20- hopefully 4.45 - nap 2
5 - feed 3
6 - bath/ massage
6.30 - feed 4 <---- this is the troublesome one!
7- sleep







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Re: Slow or no letdown
« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2014, 12:01:57 pm »
Hi Honey,

I will tell you what I think. E is tired and not so hungry at 6:30pm and that’s why you have a problem with feeding. No let down as no real hunger. She wants to suck the boob (F also wanted) but not as she is very hungry. Count that your boobs are drained a bit after 5pm feed and probably they need a strong signal to have a result.
I had that with F when he was 5-6mo and we were still cluster feeding. He was eating at 3pm, 5pm and at 7:10/7:15pm and at BT feed I was sometimes waiting 20-30min for let down with a screaming baby at my boob! Story was short: I was giving him boob to eat, he didn’t mind to suck for a bit but his suck was too weak so no milk was coming. So he resigned from boob after 2-3min not very hungry, but tired and wanted to sleep. I was offering it once again and once again as thought he had to be hungry. He was starting to scream “noooo, I don’t want”, he got winded up by screaming, so he needed boob to calm down. He was starting to suck, and I though that’s the sign that he is hungry… and the vicious cycle started all over.
When we went to bottle it became very clear to me as there was no problem with “let down” and he was eating very little amounts.

I would try to stop offering so many small feeds (you have 6 per day, aren't you?). So you could go for the routine:
7 milk
10 milk
12:00 lunch
2/3 milk
around 4pm small tea
6:30 milk

I was doing this routine for a long time (two meals w/o breakfast). You have 4 milk feeds in this plan, nicely spaced vs each other, and followed by solid meals. When E will be older you can add solid breakfast.
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Re: Slow or no letdown
« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2014, 13:45:45 pm »
I agree with Marta fwiw, we ran into problems a little while ago (pre solids) when I was feeding at 5pm to tide B over to bedtime.  He would take a fullish feed at 5 then go crazy at BT, not fun :(. I think having a good gap between your afternoon feed and BT feed would help.

If it is any use to you, we are doing milk at 6.30ish, 10.45ish, 2.30/3ish and 6/6.15pm with solids at 7.30, 11.45/12ish and 4.30ish xx

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Re: Slow or no letdown
« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2014, 14:16:19 pm »
I can't really count solids as part of the day as she eats nothing. But if I am understanding correctly, you are both suggesting that what needs to change is the spacing. So I feed on waking + 1 but after that I should instead move them to the middle or so of the A times?

I must mention - when I say top-up, its a very tiny amount - just 1 -2 mins. Sometimes, if she has gotten some solid food into her, she doesn't accept it at all. Like today she ate at 6.40, 12, 3, 4.45 & 6.30. At most feeds, she takes only one side. I can't seem to make her take both






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Re: Slow or no letdown
« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2014, 14:20:49 pm »
I don't think the top-ups are the issue, I just think you need your last two feeds further apart.  You can't really expect a full feed at 5pm then another at 6.30pm.  How about feeding on WU from nap one and just before nap two (where you currently have a top up?). So 7/(10)/12/3/6.30?

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Re: Slow or no letdown
« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2014, 14:26:20 pm »
Okay, I'll give it a shot:) I have been trying to Pavlov myself - picturing gushing rivers and singing one tune and all sorts of nonsense. Haven't had trouble these last two days. I think it is just performance anxiety on my part and of course her not being so hungry






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Re: Slow or no letdown
« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2014, 14:28:49 pm »
Feeding so infrequently will not affect supply, right?






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Re: Slow or no letdown
« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2014, 14:33:16 pm »
I only feed four times a day plus one night feed, same with DD at this age. No supply issues - at this age it's related to demand anyway, not frequency of feeding x

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Re: Slow or no letdown
« Reply #14 on: December 18, 2014, 14:44:03 pm »
Okay. Thank you!