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2-1 transition for 8.5 mo old?
« on: February 25, 2016, 21:38:50 pm »
Hello!

I have been getting funny naps in the last few days that seem to point to an increased A. However, I'm not sure how to tweak his routine since his nap lengths are messing with feeding schedule. I had a thread on naps that helped me get rid of long EMW with longer A times which is how I know he's going through the 2-1. My question is should I aim for a shorter nap now that both naps are an hour or just extend A time and hope for lengthened naps? Here's our EASY:

WU/BF 7 am
A
E 8-8:30 (solids$
A
S 10:30-11:30/ 11:45 am (A 3.5; naps don't go longer than 1:15; and I usually resettle at the 34-35 mark)
E upon wake up
A
E 1-1.5 afterwards (solids)
A
S 3/3:15-4/4:15pm (A 3.5; naps are at most 45-1hr)

E Feeding a get funny after this and it's hard to fit in dinner since I have to wait a little for the milk feed. So usually I do a top up milk feed before bed.

BT 7-7:15 pm (3hr A)

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Re: 2-1 transition for 8.5 mo old?
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2016, 01:05:21 am »
If what you've got going is working, stick with it - I had 2 x 1hr naps for a while. This 2-1 transition takes a LONG time, you most likely won't be on one nap every day consistently for 6-8 months yet at least.

If you want one longer nap, you can extend the A time a bit and see if that nap lengthens back out again.
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Re: 2-1 transition for 8.5 mo old?
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2016, 01:17:26 am »
Hi again!!

I guess my concern is whether OT is creeping in and if that's a result of funny nap lengths. It's hard to tell bc DS is such a happy baby. Rarely does he cry from OT unless he's really OT. Today after is pm nap he was agitated and tried putting himself back to sleep but after nearly 50 minutes I guess wasn't tired enough. Of course after I fed him he was all smiles lol so maybe it was hunger that had him edgy.
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Re: 2-1 transition for 8.5 mo old?
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2016, 18:09:07 pm »
So today his am nap was an hour on the dot. Over the last few days it has gotten progressively shorter. Is this a sign that he wants a shorter am nap and longer pm nap or is it just a sign that he needs an A time increase. He's been at 3.5 for about two weeks or so. I am planning a pm nap after 3:40 A since yesterday he gave me a UT nap after an 1:06 am nap and 3.5 A. He did have some NW that I believe is linked to the funky naps.

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Re: 2-1 transition for 8.5 mo old?
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2016, 20:07:20 pm »
Quote from: JennVanessa1083 on February 26, 2016, 18:09:07 pm
Over the last few days it has gotten progressively shorter. Is this a sign that he wants a shorter am nap and longer pm nap or is it just a sign that he needs an A time increase
Either/or - this is where you're making the decision. You can have a play and see what works for him. Personally at this age, I'd be increasing the A time, especially if you've been getting wakings in the early hours of the morning for anything other than a quick feed a reasonable time since the last feed.
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Re: 2-1 transition for 8.5 mo old?
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2016, 20:19:30 pm »
Hmmmmm yea I have been thinking the same thing in terms of increasing the first and possibly the second A. I also thought about shortening the am nap but wondered bc of his age that maybe an increase would be better. So he has been waking in the early am 2.5 hours after a last feed for another feed. Then only sleeps another hour to his wake up time at 7:30. It's usually a quick feed them he's back asleep but it seems strange that he just picked up a third feed so close to the last one.
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Re: 2-1 transition for 8.5 mo old?
« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2016, 17:50:42 pm »
Hi!

I have a question. I know when babies wake up constantly in the earlier part of night after bedtime it indicates OT. However, can UT also be a culprit? I have been doing 3:40 A times and have been getting the following (this is today's example):

WU 7 am
S 10:40-11:40 (woke up on his own)
S 3:00-4:06 (woke up on his own again)
BT 7:07 pm

I'm confused. He is teething which I know bothers him but we have been giving him Tylenol. He still restless for the first couple of hours after BT waking up a lot. Do I need to keep pushing A times?
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Re: 2-1 transition for 8.5 mo old?
« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2016, 21:31:11 pm »
Given the first nap is an hour, then yes I would maybe increase A times.  The wakings in the earlier part of the night may very well be OT since the first nap is an hour it may not be that restorative yk? 

The other thing you can do is try for a short am/long pm nap.  So scale the first A time back a bit, enough so that he falls asleep but then cap it at 45mins.  Then you have a slightly shorter second A time so to not cause OT, but then aim for a long pm nap.  The benefit of doing this is that eventually when you do go down to 1 nap that short am gets shorter and shorter until it phases out and the pm nap remains the same.

So something like...

WU 7am
Nap 10-10:45
Nap 1:30-3:30
BT 7pm

Just an option :)
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Re: 2-1 transition for 8.5 mo old?
« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2016, 22:39:24 pm »
I'm thinking I do need shorter am/ longer pm. Another mod and I have been discussing going that route before so I think now it's definitely apparent that it needs to happen. Today he wouldn't nap for both naps until almost 4 hours A! I feel aiming for two long naps would make the day too long with such long A times. The other thing I noticed is he has been wanting a shorter A to bed. Could be because of the long A times and shorter naps as you said.

Would pulling back to 3 hours be a lot considering he was comfortably doing 3.5 A times? I could try 3 hrs A to see if it works. If he's not tired he plays around until he gets OT. I also had issues with EMW for weeks which seems to be ok now. Now I'm getting OT wakings  ::) I just need to strike the perfect balance lol

I was thinking:

WU 7 am
S 10:30-11:15 am
S 2:30-4:30 (hopefully; it's rare he ever does two hours)

Is that too much A?
BT 7:30 pm
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Re: 2-1 transition for 8.5 mo old?
« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2016, 22:53:18 pm »
The key is to have him slightly UT for that first nap so he doesn't end up OT overall if that makes sense?  So pull the first A time back enough so you think he'll go to sleep but not so much that the short nap causes him to be OT.  I know it's a odd concept lol.  You also want to make sure your second A isn't too long so he isn't OT.

I mean, all you can do is start somewhere and see how it plays out and then adjust.  So if you want to do the first nap at 10:30 go for it and we'll see what happens.
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Re: 2-1 transition for 8.5 mo old?
« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2016, 23:32:28 pm »
I completely agree  :)

The only thing I know is that DS likes a shorter A to bed; other than that its all trial and error for him!

Question: even if the A is right before bed is it possible for DS to be overtired from too much A during the day? He usually goes down between 2:45-3hr A and will still get wakings early in the evening.
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Re: 2-1 transition for 8.5 mo old?
« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2016, 12:01:36 pm »
Hi!

I have a question: how can I differentiate between a UT early morning waking from an OT one? Whether they resettle? Mood?
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Re: 2-1 transition for 8.5 mo old?
« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2016, 18:03:41 pm »
It can be hard to tell for sure, mood probably has a lot to do with it.  My DS never resettled after an EW, I kind of judged it by the previous day and what the night was like.  If the night was bad or the naps were short I would usually assume it was OT.  In the flip side if naps were really long then it might be UT.
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Re: 2-1 transition for 8.5 mo old?
« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2016, 19:36:15 pm »
Ok that makes sense!

I tried a 3.25 A and he slept for about an 1:05. Should I try 3 hours tomorrow or stick with 3.25 for a UT nap of 45 minutes? I'm attempting the short am/long pm nap.  :)
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Re: 2-1 transition for 8.5 mo old?
« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2016, 21:47:35 pm »
How did the PM nap go? And BT?  That might determine whether you need to scale that first A back to get a shorter 45min UT nap, but I am suspecting that you may need to do 3hrs or 3.15 to get more of a CN for the AM so as not to keep your day too long.
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